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host and I have one of my favorites on

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with me this evening a very good friend

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of mine Alejandro Rojas

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he has been we've been on together each

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other's shows for years

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and uh I helped him with news on his

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open minds broadcast and he helped me

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for many years uh he got covet came

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along he got super busy he's been kind

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of out of it a little bit for a while

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and uh it's my pleasure to be talking to

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him tonight and he is right back into it

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again we're going to be talking about

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all of that and the blog this week is

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called it's quite an unusual title I

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have to say French hairy dwarfs and what

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what's its

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um well this is by Charles learness

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actually chapter seven in his book uh

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that has just been released and he's

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going to be on in a couple weeks and

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we're going to be talking about that

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book but

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basically he was inspired after doing

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all these blogs to write his own book

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and it's already being really well

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received he's going to be on several

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shows not just this one but

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coast to coast and a few others so I'm

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really happy uh for him about that

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and let's see what do we have here in

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this side private chat I think

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everything's okay so uh

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again Alejandro will be on with us in

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just a minute I do want to thank

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everyone that supports the show that

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means a great deal to me I do appreciate

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every single listener if you're

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interested in supporting a show just go

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over to podcast ufo.com and you'll see

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support the show there's a met at the

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menu bar on the top

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and I'm going to be actually a speaker

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this weekend at Pine Bush and I'm really

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looking forward to being there anyway

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and um last minute

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um one of the speakers for health

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reasons couldn't couldn't you know uh do

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his uh his topic so I was asked to speak

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I'm really looking forward to that so if

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you're there and you'll listen to the

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show please please do say hi so and uh

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the other alternative to that is the SCU

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conference I'm going to be talking to

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Alejandro about that and I really do

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want to get to that hopefully next year

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they won't fall on the same weekend but

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here I am bringing in my buddy Alejandro

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welcome

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hello I was just busy uh talking smack

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about Pine Bush in the chat there

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telling people they got to go to SCU but

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of course oh a lot of our great friends

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are gonna be in Pine Bush but they're

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going to be the less educated

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because they're gonna miss out on the

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SCU oh yes we're messing with you guys

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yeah yeah yeah yeah great to great to

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see you um that was fun I went out there

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and I had a little visit with you this

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is uh you and I a little picture here oh

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yeah yeah that was a fun day yeah fun

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couple days we had but anyway it's

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always good to see you and I get email

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every week where's Alejandro what's he

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up to you know what yeah blah blah blah

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so why don't you tell everyone what

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you've been up to I know you've been

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working and you've been working hours

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per day

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it's so funny because I look like such a

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mess right now um but that's because I

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am deep in the trenches and really I am

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back in the trenches uh more behind the

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scenes right now in the UAP world so

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um yeah I am back I'm working for a

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software company that's creating a UAP

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app there'll be more coming up on that

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uh later on really they're kind of like

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they say working in stealth mode as they

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get their app rolling and essentially

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I'm their content guy so I'm developing

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uh kind of a Wikipedia for UAP

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that I am extremely excited about

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because uh we have some excellent

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writers and they uh the pieces are great

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um the serious side of this topic

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because we've just got a lot of great

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information and much better takes and

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more comprehensive information

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um

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so is this someone's brain child that

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basically reached out to you

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yeah really uh it's great this was a

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group a lot of the people there's so

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there's a lot of money being put into uh

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this topic in certain areas

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um and people with money uh and people

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in the mainstream are trying to figure

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out you know what to do in this and and

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that's good and bad you know there are a

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lot of people and we've talked about

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this before Martin

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um and a lot of people get really upset

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you know we definitely have heard it

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when we charge for

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um products or charge for our

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information but we have to so for

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instance you know uh open minds was very

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very popular really out of the podcasts

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out there and the websites you know we

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were getting tons of hits tons of

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listens you know I won't say even some

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of our friends are talking about oh I

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just hit this Milestone we hit that a

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long time ago it opened right but I

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remember you yeah the point was that it

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just even at that level it was hard to

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monetize it uh at a level that wasn't

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too high and to keep your listeners and

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viewers and and I don't blame viewers

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I've always been of the mind to try to

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provide as much uh free content as

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possible and you know when I started

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doing this a couple decades ago even the

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news you know wasn't charging nobody you

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know the news was free they were you

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know relying off of like the sales of

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their print media and stuff like that

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but things have changed a lot and now

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even your local Outlet is probably

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charging you a few bucks to read the

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news which is really frustrating but at

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the same time we can't do what we do and

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provide this information without uh

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monetizing it and as this topic becomes

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monetized and more and more money is

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thrown at it a lot of people get upset

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they get worried about that but that is

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actually a good thing

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um no doubt I mean if you look at any

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topic out there that is very popular

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tons of money is thrown at it that's the

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nature of it good and bad because of

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course you have you'll have maybe Disney

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theme park it's going to come up with a

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UAP theme and you know it'll probably be

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based on kind of the silly stuff you

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know or are fictionalized which gets

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frustrating or you know kind of like

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what happened to Project Blue Book TV

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show was definitely very fictionalized

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to make it more fun that sort of thing

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happens but at the same time money gets

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thrown or money is available for more

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serious uh stuff so these people are

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trying to come in and and look at both

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sides of things and the more serious

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side of things are shy to work with UFO

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researchers and uh really it was because

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they were trying to work with a

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mainstream journalist who was just like

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hey I get all my stuff from this guy

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that's who you need to talk to because I

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couldn't have done this without them and

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you're not going to be able to do this

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without an expert and so that's how I

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came about it and they ended up agreeing

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and hiring me to do this content which

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is great because yeah I'm able to do it

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uh at a more informed level to make sure

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that our pieces are very comprehensive

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and no doubt when we launch you know our

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pieces there's going to be experts on

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certain cases that are going to say hey

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you forgot this or you forgot that oh

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yeah expecting that but but I'm not I'm

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looking for it as well because you know

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we'll make sure and keep it up to date

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as we get that sort of information but

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the researchers I have that's what's

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beautiful I'm providing them with a

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bunch of research on the topics they're

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writing about so stuff that I think

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needs to be in the piece but they're

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doing their own research as well and

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finding even more and I certainly don't

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want them to take my take I want to make

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sure this is unbiased and have their own

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um because you know some of the less uh

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credible cases you know are going to be

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difficult to stand on their own but the

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better cases of course are are just you

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know the head shakers the ones where you

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what the heck this is this is

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extraordinary with all of the references

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attached to it yeah so now so yeah yeah

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how can let's see I'm just trying to

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figure out how this thing will work you

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say it's an app so it's an app that

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anyone can have on their smartphone and

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then this app is going to be information

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like updated constantly type of thing is

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that yeah so the app itself

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um is going to be a sightings based app

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and really they've they've put out a

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um and I could share it in the chat

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um so people can look at it which kind

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of describes who they are you can also

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uh share it on the screen too

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oh okay yeah let me do that yeah

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that makes sense and um I can also put

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that into the show notes I'd be glad to

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do that as well

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you know put it in the chat here but uh

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really and the reason I'm sharing this

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is this is all the information that

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we've shared thus far

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um share

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and also I want to talk to you about you

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know the good and the bad of because

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there's always you know for a reaction

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there's a reaction type of thing so

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um the good well the very good thing I

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think you know in my opinion is that of

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this topic is

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like rolling down snowball rolling

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downhill it's a

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people are taking serious science is

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taking it more serious we had the

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hearing we could talk a little bit about

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that too and

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it's all good I don't know so that's the

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what what is the name of this app

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um the app name hasn't been necessarily

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um and all this is just saying that that

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we're coming out with a nap right now

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we're working stealthily uh it justifies

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the importance of doing this but

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essentially it's going to be

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uh a signing app so uh okay it's going

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to be similar to an app called citizen

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uh just because there there's some loose

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affiliation but a lot of people are out

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there oh these are the people and some

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people are out there saying these are

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the people who made citizen that's not

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true there's maybe uh one or two similar

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people uh but uh this is totally

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see we've already got is this a cash

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grab or should we pay for the truth see

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those kind of comments are

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counterproductive and they're they're

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silly and and you guys gotta I think

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people gotta realize what topic out

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there

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um do you get information about

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for free practically at all anymore

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you don't

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um well that that is kind of like a

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that's kind of like the double-edged

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sword of of what has happened you know

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with the internet and what you know

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there are so many things that people can

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you know get for free and then it was

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it's been a real hard move look at the

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music industry for one you know they had

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to move from you know this platform

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where you'd be paying for vinyl you know

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records or tapes or CDs or whatever and

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then all of a sudden it becomes I'm

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trying to remember the name of that uh

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Napster what was that yeah Napster but

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the issue the the kind of the with this

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field and I think this is a problem that

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people don't realize especially with you

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know

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um Grassroots type of efforts like this

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you need there this is the time when

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people need money the most because you

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have to have resources to do this

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research without resources This research

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is not going to happen well that's why

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science has not taken it Sarah seriously

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for exactly without money it's not going

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to happen period

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um and without money we can't do what we

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do without money I couldn't do and

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that's where I was essentially getting

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at I couldn't do what I do that's why

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open minds went off because people like

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you welcome to the show are unwilling to

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help us do the work that we do and if

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you're unwilling to do the work that we

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do don't be surprised if it goes away

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and if you're not willing to help out

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monetarily then do some research and do

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your own show and get your own

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information out there because that's

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really what it's it and that may sound

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harsh but it's the true reality if that

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you know nothing's going to happen if

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Nobody Does it and nobody can do

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anything without money so the things

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that are typically free out there people

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put money towards for open minds the

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owner of open minds probably spent at

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least a million dollars of his own money

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and that's a big chunk of his own money

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sure he's he's got a million dollars but

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he had to spend a million dollars of his

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own own money so you people could get

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that open minds information that is

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still out there today and I've

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demonetized everything to make sure

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everybody can get something so there you

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go if we don't have some rich person who

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is able to spend a million dollars we

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don't have anything at all or people

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like you who are dedicated to spending

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your own time and money to do this or

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people might like me because that's what

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I did for for many many years and

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continue to do

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um so so that's the thing now this app I

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think there's going to be a free version

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I don't think the month the the side of

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everything's been figured out they'll be

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but most like most apps there's a free

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version and then there's things that you

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pay for inside uh so that will be

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available but otherwise yeah the website

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and and or Wikipedia you know we're just

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going to have a lot of great information

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and uh sorry if you're not willing to

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pay a dollar or two to to get that

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information then you're just not gonna

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get it and that's the way the world

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works and I think that's what is

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important uh with this field a lot of

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people love to Rally against it

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shouldn't be this way it shouldn't be

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that way the hearing should be like this

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this should be like that well the world

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is the way the world is we can either

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learn how to operate in it and operate

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in an efficient and effectively to make

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things happen or we can just sit and

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complain about how things work and not

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get anywhere

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um but people like you and I of course

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choose to move forward so uh and without

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UAP or without enable Labs hiring me to

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do this full-time I wouldn't be able to

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jump back in and now I am back in

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luckily because now I'm working for this

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company that allows me to do UAP

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research and look into uaps that's what

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they want me to do they've hired me for

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my expertise it's also allowed me to get

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back involved with the scientific

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Coalition for UAP studies so I'm back on

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the board with them that's great I

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helped found that group and I'm also

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heading up their their public relations

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so we're doing a lot right now to get

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information out which I'm sure we'll

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cover yeah I I recently of I don't know

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maybe a month or so ago I mentioned that

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my the show was pretty close to going

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into the red in a little bit you know so

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I I don't like that and uh so some

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people actually I do want to thank the

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people that

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um went to bat and uh and brought it

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back up you know so I I never did this

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show for money you know I I did it for

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the excitement the the knowledge

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um you know if I didn't have my other

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thing going on you know I I wouldn't be

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able to I wouldn't be able to survive I

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I don't I wouldn't be able to pay my

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electric bill on this you know and

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you're in a position I think that and I

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think this is important too that most of

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the people we see involved with this

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doing a lot of the research are retired

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that's when you go while you go to like

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a conference and you see so many older

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people because they don't have the time

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to kind of spend so much time in their

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interest until they're retired right so

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there are a lot of people in their

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middle ages in their 30s and 40s who

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have family who have a career and they

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have a hard time dedicating time and

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effort into this but there are some some

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people like you who do that and I think

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that it's great when people you know

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they choose to and you know and I'm sure

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many people identify with this they

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often choose to uh struggle with their

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significant other about balancing their

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interests in this topic and getting

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involved with that and making time for

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it because a lot of us are significant

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others I'm extremely lucky because mine

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is very into this topic but um you know

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um my only issue is she's pulling me for

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time to help her out or I've got these

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other things to do as well so we have a

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different kind of struggle that way but

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um you know I think people identify with

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that it it's it's a lot to be able to

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dedicate time to this and a lot of

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resources are necessary to make

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um real discoveries I never I never

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really talk about my personal life too

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much on the show but I will say that uh

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I can I can tell you guys all about

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Martin's personal life so if anybody has

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questions put them in the chat and

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thanks buddy no so uh well basically I

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was with a girlfriend for a long time

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many years and she did not like me doing

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this show and she always tried to talk

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me out into quitting

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so

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um that relationship ended last year and

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so anyway that's uh just something I I'm

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putting out there that that was that was

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difficult that was difficult to do the

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show when I would get the constant eye

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roll and the you know why are you doing

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this and you know that that type of

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thing and but anyway uh moving on uh I

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would like to talk about there's a lot

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of talk well I I do want to talk about

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the SCU seu in in the conference and all

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that we can get to that we have quite a

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bit of time here but there's a lot of

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talk going

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on in the UFO field about this

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information is right this information

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isn't right

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um and I know that you're you really

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like to figure out what what is true and

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not true out there

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um

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do you want to discuss any of that

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what's sure I'll discuss whatever you

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want buddy okay

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um well I don't know

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what I watched some things you know that

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people have sent to me and you know I

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know there was uh there's the atip

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controversy and all that and the money

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that was funded and then the um the

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skinwalker Pentagon what is the name of

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that book that George Knapp Baskin

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Walker and The Skin Walkers at the

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Pentagon at the Pentagon so I want to

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discuss all that so we can kind of

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straighten some things out because it's

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great it's fuzzy it's fuzzy fuzzy to me

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and you know um you know I heard these

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things about Lou Elizondo uh I love the

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guy I think he's really if it wasn't for

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him a lot of things would have never

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happened

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um but you know there's there's a lot

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going on and uh I'm still in touch with

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him through his wife Jennifer and all

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that but uh he's he's kind of taken it

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easy right now

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um as far as talking on podcasts and

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things like that yeah

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yeah so I guess I would want to know

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specifically what your concern was

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because there is so many people talking

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about different things

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um yeah I guess you know Lou Alexander

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did his last podcast just recently

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um the the one before his last uh was

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with need to know with Bryce Abel and

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and Ross Colbert which was a great

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interview and uh and I what I think was

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great about that interview too is they

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had similar views on certain things like

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the Wilson document

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um oh I want to hear about that because

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I I've never believed in that myself

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yeah neither have I but lose into it

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lose into it and so are that group of

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guys so

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um okay so I don't know I think the

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controversy kind of arises to people not

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reading my reporting

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not to be do that but I mean we've been

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talking about this for a long time and

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and I've tried to be clear about how

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atip and ASAP started uh what was what

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and who was who and you know as you and

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I discussed you know I'm a huge fan of

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Leslie Kane I listened to your recent

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interview with her um it's great that

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you got her and of course she was

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insightful

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um and I think talking about real world

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issues which is really important uh so

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it's good that you had her but uh you

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know that story from the New York Times

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in December of 2017 was not complete and

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it didn't tell the full story uh I think

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she'll argue that well it's hard to tell

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the full story in just one article and

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make it out and really get the bang for

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your buck that you want and and I agree

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with her I do get that

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um and then uh there was some

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controversy brought up though because

546
00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:39,059
you know they went to Brian Bender of

547
00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:41,400
Politico and Leslie Kane of uh at the

548
00:21:47,630 --> 00:21:43,740
same or around the same period of time

549
00:21:49,490 --> 00:21:47,640
to pitch this story to them and uh and

550
00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:49,500
Brian Benders came out the same day

551
00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:52,500
right but uh and he he said you know he

552
00:21:55,970 --> 00:21:54,600
was just making the point that

553
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,980
um you know and I've been making this

554
00:22:00,110 --> 00:21:57,600
point and kind of been getting up beaten

555
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,120
up by it also and and John Greenwall

556
00:22:06,110 --> 00:22:02,640
makes this point a lot which is that you

557
00:22:09,230 --> 00:22:06,120
know these guys are not Gods they're not

558
00:22:12,049 --> 00:22:09,240
you know Immortal omnipotent beings when

559
00:22:14,029 --> 00:22:12,059
it comes to the ttsa group they're great

560
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:14,039
what they did is extraordinary uh

561
00:22:18,049 --> 00:22:15,600
there's no doubt about that and I

562
00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:18,059
there's I'm huge fans of them I mean I

563
00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:20,760
mean what they've done I think is really

564
00:22:24,049 --> 00:22:21,960
important

565
00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:24,059
um but just because they say something

566
00:22:28,510 --> 00:22:26,700
it's not gospel if Lou Elizondo says

567
00:22:31,490 --> 00:22:28,520
there's a crash UFO and

568
00:22:34,850 --> 00:22:31,500
materials that doesn't mean you know

569
00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:34,860
that's a 100 certainty if luolis under

570
00:22:38,450 --> 00:22:36,900
sets a Wilson documents are real you

571
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,460
know he's got to prove it just like

572
00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:40,080
anything else he's got to prove what

573
00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:41,220
he's saying

574
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:43,080
um I think some of the problems that

575
00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:45,299
came in early on with me and and others

576
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:46,980
when mainstream is they were saying we

577
00:22:51,049 --> 00:22:49,919
were you know reporting on things that

578
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:51,059
Lou Elizondo was saying without

579
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:52,860
verifying them just believing every

580
00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:55,919
thing he says that's not true at all uh

581
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:57,539
every single one of the reporters that

582
00:23:01,370 --> 00:22:59,640
was getting criticized such as Leslie or

583
00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:01,380
or uh

584
00:23:06,590 --> 00:23:04,260
Brian Bender were verifying what they

585
00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:06,600
were saying with other groups and that

586
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:08,100
was confirmed and some of the people

587
00:23:12,169 --> 00:23:09,539
that this information was getting

588
00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:12,179
verified with were Harry Reid who

589
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,860
started the program

590
00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:15,840
um his you know Integrity is very high

591
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:18,780
having been you know uh such an

592
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:22,620
important Senator and and you know

593
00:23:28,430 --> 00:23:26,039
others were like Bigelow himself or or

594
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:28,440
Dr Eric Davis or Dr Hal putoff who were

595
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,840
contractors uh that were contracted for

596
00:23:34,510 --> 00:23:32,880
the program so all of these people were

597
00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:34,520
backing up a lot of this information

598
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,620
Brian kind of Bender came out yeah but

599
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:39,120
you guys didn't give me the full story

600
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:41,220
in the beginning he said that recently

601
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,640
which is true Elizondo the 22 million

602
00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:46,320
dollars that was spent did not

603
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:50,039
technically go to atip a program uh or

604
00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:52,919
maybe a better term would be portfolio

605
00:23:58,010 --> 00:23:56,039
um on the UAP topic that's inaccurate

606
00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:58,020
even though that's what's being reported

607
00:24:02,570 --> 00:23:59,580
and that's what the media keeps

608
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,580
reporting to this day the 22 million

609
00:24:07,010 --> 00:24:04,799
dollars went to a program called ASAP

610
00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:07,020
the advanced Aerospace weapon system

611
00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:10,200
application program ASAP was developed

612
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:11,940
and now we have this completely

613
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:13,620
confirmed even though I've been writing

614
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,279
about this since 2017 because I knew and

615
00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:19,919
I'll explain how I knew but uh now it's

616
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,179
been confirmed because his book

617
00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:23,520
Skinwalker at the Pentagon has come out

618
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,240
which was mostly written by uh lachaski

619
00:24:32,269 --> 00:24:30,240
who was a Dia agent who started and ran

620
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:32,279
ASAP he was in charge of it the

621
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,980
oversight of it and comb kellehar who

622
00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:36,720
was a lead scientist and then George

623
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,299
Knapp who is a reporter of course he's

624
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,279
very familiar with Bigelow and all the

625
00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:43,440
people that were involved with it

626
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:45,059
um and I mentioned Bigelow and bigolero

627
00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:46,140
space because they were the ones

628
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:49,320
contracted by ASAP to do the work why

629
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:51,419
did I know once I found out that bass

630
00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:52,860
was involved that this was more than

631
00:24:57,070 --> 00:24:55,080
UFOs because we all know what bass has

632
00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:57,080
been up to Bass has been investigating

633
00:25:01,130 --> 00:24:59,100
Skinwalker Ranch and a lot of the

634
00:25:03,649 --> 00:25:01,140
Paranormal around that and we've heard

635
00:25:05,930 --> 00:25:03,659
them say we are also looking at other

636
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,940
locations where there are paranormal

637
00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:08,159
occurrences so they were looking at you

638
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:09,659
know all the stuff that was in this book

639
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,200
Skinwalker uh the Skinwalker Ranch book

640
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:14,880
that George Knapp and call me

641
00:25:20,269 --> 00:25:17,940
kellerhardt had written in 2005 which is

642
00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:20,279
actually what got lachaski interested in

643
00:25:24,649 --> 00:25:22,740
looking at Skinwalker as a ranch and in

644
00:25:27,169 --> 00:25:24,659
that book they described these wolf-like

645
00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:27,179
creatures these portals uh Bigfoot type

646
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:29,880
phenomena cattle mutilation and that's

647
00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:32,340
what was investigated and in the book

648
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:35,100
skinwalkers at the Pentagon lachaski at

649
00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:37,080
all you know confirmed this is what they

650
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:38,940
were looking at they were looking at it

651
00:25:44,029 --> 00:25:41,760
mostly from kind of a valet type of

652
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,039
perspective which is that you can't look

653
00:25:48,110 --> 00:25:46,679
at the UAP phenomena on its own you have

654
00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:48,120
to include all the other paranormal

655
00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:50,220
stuff that's kind of wrapped around it

656
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:52,500
and you know there are people who report

657
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,940
these other type of sightings and

658
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:56,640
occurrences with UAP that was their

659
00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:58,620
justification what's interesting though

660
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,080
with that 22 million dollar paranormal

661
00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:02,880
investigation which is what I call it

662
00:26:06,769 --> 00:26:04,919
because I think that's more accurate is

663
00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:06,779
that they determined all of this was

664
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:09,779
real and lachaski in the book confirms

665
00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:12,120
he also believes all of the this

666
00:26:17,049 --> 00:26:13,980
weirdness all this paranormal phenomena

667
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,059
was real so uh that was a bit

668
00:26:22,610 --> 00:26:19,200
controversial because people took what

669
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,620
Brian Bender said uh kind of to

670
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,200
to the nth degree saying look Brian's

671
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,880
saying that that Elizondo and all these

672
00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:28,559
guys are liars and Brian's saying no no

673
00:26:33,529 --> 00:26:30,779
I'm not saying that at all I'm just

674
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,539
saying that you know not everybody is a

675
00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:35,279
hundred percent honest or clear in this

676
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:38,100
not everybody uh everybody has their own

677
00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:39,659
agenda and they're going to just share

678
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:42,419
the part of the story or have their own

679
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:44,460
spin on things and that was his point

680
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:46,980
not to say that they're Liars but that

681
00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:49,260
to say that hey they're going to share

682
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:51,299
information in a perspective that's

683
00:26:54,409 --> 00:26:52,740
helpful to them

684
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:54,419
um and we have to be cognizant of that

685
00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:58,559
and nobody's uh you know

686
00:27:02,269 --> 00:27:00,659
um innocent when it comes completely

687
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,279
innocent when it comes to just being

688
00:27:07,310 --> 00:27:04,320
straight with all the information out so

689
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:07,320
that's what he was trying to say

690
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,179
um he and Elizondo get along great and

691
00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:11,279
talk often so I know that they talked

692
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:14,820
that out too because um uh so so they're

693
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:16,380
good with it you know

694
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,100
um

695
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:19,679
so so let's talk a little bit about skin

696
00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:21,720
workers so they're there on the ranch

697
00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:24,179
they're exploring everything that's

698
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:26,520
happening and and I understand why why

699
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:29,700
would you like to say why would you you

700
00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:31,740
know sit and wait for a UFO of a

701
00:27:38,029 --> 00:27:34,760
bigfoots coming out of a portal

702
00:27:39,889 --> 00:27:38,039
and not do anything about that so it

703
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:39,899
kind of just like whatever it is appears

704
00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:42,720
there and happens there or or or was at

705
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:45,179
that time when they were doing that that

706
00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:47,880
research so they were there were they

707
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,100
actually at the ranch involved in that

708
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,039
study that uh John Alexander was in and

709
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:54,960
all that

710
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,299
um which one do you are you referring no

711
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,240
I'm I'm John uh Bigelow had John

712
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,159
Alexander in this group and I can't

713
00:28:07,789 --> 00:28:05,279
remember I had a oh okay yeah so early

714
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,799
in the 90s Bigelow had started the

715
00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:09,840
National Institute of Discovery Sciences

716
00:28:15,169 --> 00:28:12,539
uh his first when he got involved with

717
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:15,179
this in the 90s he was trying to kind of

718
00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:17,940
give money to researchers

719
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:21,539
um and he also was coalescing uh you

720
00:28:26,029 --> 00:28:23,580
know UFO research groups to try to get

721
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:26,039
them to work together uh an organization

722
00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:28,020
was actually called the fund for UFO

723
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,700
research

724
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:31,440
food for

725
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,500
this group was essentially got money

726
00:28:37,570 --> 00:28:36,960
from Bigelow and a couple of other

727
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:37,580
um

728
00:28:41,930 --> 00:28:40,440
financiers and their job was to kind of

729
00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:41,940
dispense that money and and work

730
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,980
together with mufon and other groups so

731
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:46,080
they can all work together

732
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,059
and that didn't really happen that well

733
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,580
and eventually Bigelow decided I just

734
00:28:53,529 --> 00:28:51,840
need to start my own scientific

735
00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:53,539
investigation group called The National

736
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,279
Institute of Discovery Sciences needs

737
00:29:00,889 --> 00:28:58,320
for short that's right he had John

738
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:00,899
Alexander help him get people together

739
00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:04,020
and that's really what tied together the

740
00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:06,299
what I would call Men Who Stare at Goats

741
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:09,000
uh contingency and the Bigelow

742
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:11,640
contingency because John Alexander if

743
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,740
you've read that book Men Who Stare at

744
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:16,080
Goats was was a part of that whole you

745
00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:19,140
know era where the Army General

746
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:21,020
um rigglestein

747
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:23,340
bradentonstein I forget his name but he

748
00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:26,580
was trying to uh you know use psychic

749
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,679
phenomena and look at paranormal stuff

750
00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:30,720
and take it seriously and seeing how the

751
00:29:35,389 --> 00:29:33,299
Army could better themselves uh by using

752
00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:35,399
this phenomena and it was made fun of in

753
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,740
a movie by that name Men Who Stare at

754
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,600
Goats and there's a non-fiction book

755
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:41,760
written about that but John knew those

756
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,820
people uh which is kind of the Arena

757
00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:46,799
where how put off comes from and Dr Eric

758
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:49,140
Davis and he connected all of these

759
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:52,200
people with Bigelow and they they ran

760
00:29:57,070 --> 00:29:53,640
with this National Institute of

761
00:30:01,250 --> 00:29:57,080
Discovery Sciences group that folded

762
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,260
not soon not long too long before uh

763
00:30:06,289 --> 00:30:03,840
bass Started up uh what's interesting is

764
00:30:09,289 --> 00:30:06,299
uh you know Alexander was left out of

765
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,299
the bass era and uh I know from my

766
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,039
interviews he kind of felt like uh hey

767
00:30:15,169 --> 00:30:13,200
why did you leave me out I have my own

768
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:15,179
Theory and I'll share you my theory

769
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,860
because this gets to some of the other

770
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:18,240
important aspects like the Wilson

771
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:19,740
document

772
00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:20,940
um is that

773
00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:22,200
you know

774
00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:24,539
John Alexander Was An Inspector General

775
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,100
that's extremely important because

776
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:28,799
that's kind of a judge when it comes to

777
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:32,159
uh you know the army or any other agency

778
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:34,260
these are the people who know the rules

779
00:30:39,169 --> 00:30:37,140
and enforce the rules so if you need

780
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:39,179
someone to you know you need to go to

781
00:30:42,889 --> 00:30:41,340
someone to figure out what the rules are

782
00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:42,899
if the rules have been broken you go to

783
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:45,419
An Inspector General that's why you know

784
00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:47,100
this Harry Reid stuff this stuff about

785
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:49,740
elizondo's boss getting in trouble and

786
00:30:54,289 --> 00:30:52,140
elizonda going to the IG to file a

787
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,299
complaint against his old boss that's

788
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,919
where they go is to the Inspector

789
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:58,320
General so that's what John Alexander

790
00:31:02,810 --> 00:30:59,820
did so he knows the rules and

791
00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:02,820
regulations and and so when there are

792
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,820
claims of these black projects or other

793
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,679
things which would fly in the face of

794
00:31:12,169 --> 00:31:09,600
rules and regulations that are checked

795
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:12,179
for everything that the Army does he's

796
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:14,940
like hey look I was one of the guys I

797
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:17,220
was one of The Gatekeepers and that's

798
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:19,320
not going you know I don't see that at

799
00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:20,399
all

800
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:22,260
um he's also more grounded when it comes

801
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:25,380
to you know those sort of issues so I

802
00:31:30,490 --> 00:31:27,960
think it was a bit of a wet blanket

803
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:30,500
um in their perspective as my only

804
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:33,600
possible explanation for that

805
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,600
um so for instance John Alexander feels

806
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,700
that he can definitely debunk the Wilson

807
00:31:43,009 --> 00:31:40,559
documents he was there during that

808
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,019
period of time as well he knew Wilson

809
00:31:48,409 --> 00:31:45,600
very well they were part of the same

810
00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:48,419
organization Alexander lives in Las

811
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:50,580
Vegas Nevada and they're part of the

812
00:31:57,769 --> 00:31:53,039
same organization that Wilson allegedly

813
00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:57,779
came to Las Vegas too when he uh met

814
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,299
with Dr Eric Davis in these alleged

815
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,880
notes the Wilson documents and John

816
00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:05,039
Alexander confirms that Wilson was not

817
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:07,620
in town during that weekend during that

818
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,260
event because uh he you know he wasn't

819
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:12,000
part of that event there was an event

820
00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:13,740
that weekend but that Wilson was not

821
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:15,960
part of it so he's adamant and a number

822
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,820
of other uh procedural things why that

823
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,039
document is not legitimate that's right

824
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,399
he's very against it however you know

825
00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:27,840
listening to the need to know interview

826
00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:30,299
the other day Lou Elizondo seems to be

827
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,580
think there's something there and I do

828
00:32:37,009 --> 00:32:34,559
know that uh some of the other people

829
00:32:39,289 --> 00:32:37,019
inside of you know the bass group also

830
00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:39,299
think there's something there so it

831
00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:40,980
shows where you know there's a

832
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,380
disconnect there in in how they feel

833
00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:45,120
things work and and what's going on

834
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,919
behind the scenes do you think that'll

835
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,960
ever be resolved

836
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,600
no the Wilson document right

837
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:53,519
this is what's weird with me for the

838
00:32:57,169 --> 00:32:55,140
Wilson documents is I don't understand

839
00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:57,179
even when Elizondo says oh they're going

840
00:33:02,630 --> 00:32:58,860
to look into what are they going to look

841
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:02,640
into as far as I know I think the it's a

842
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:06,120
dead issue because Admiral Wilson first

843
00:33:10,009 --> 00:33:07,559
of all he's already in the past said

844
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:10,019
this isn't true this never happened more

845
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,260
recently Billy Cox again uh a writer for

846
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,640
the Sarasota times I don't think he

847
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:16,080
writes for him anymore but he blocks

848
00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:17,519
once in a while but he interviewed

849
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:19,260
Wilson again and asked more specific

850
00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:22,559
questions in Wilson was like no it just

851
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:25,140
never happened if I were to be given

852
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:27,960
immunity I would definitely go talk on

853
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:30,899
the stand uh on a hearing but I wouldn't

854
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,820
have anything to say about this alleged

855
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:35,519
incident because it just didn't happen

856
00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:39,360
um so I think he's being as honest and

857
00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:41,640
so if you've got you've you've got

858
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,100
nobody backing the document you have

859
00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:46,559
Mitchell who says he was aware of it he

860
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:49,380
saw it but it doesn't mean he but he

861
00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:51,720
doesn't have any proof that it happened

862
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,340
um you have Eric Davis who isn't coming

863
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:55,679
forward who's the alleged writer of the

864
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:56,580
notes

865
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,460
um but let's say he did come forward uh

866
00:34:02,570 --> 00:34:01,679
then this is going to be

867
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:02,580
um

868
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,220
his word against the Admirals and I'm

869
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:07,679
sorry as much as I really like Davis and

870
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,440
I don't think Davis is a liar but um his

871
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,240
word would not stand up against an

872
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:13,919
Admirals and how are you going to push

873
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,079
this where what are you going to do I

874
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:19,440
just don't know how what action can be

875
00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:22,560
taken uh moving forward on this so I

876
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:24,179
don't know that anything

877
00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:28,260
will or can come of it really right and

878
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:31,560
I you know these things so badly too

879
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:34,200
it does uh that's I remember when I

880
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,460
looked through it and it's been over a

881
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:37,200
year that I looked actually looked

882
00:34:42,409 --> 00:34:41,339
through it but uh I do remember that and

883
00:34:44,569 --> 00:34:42,419
um

884
00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:44,579
I mean the conversation found a weird

885
00:34:49,369 --> 00:34:47,339
and convoluted and it's like not a

886
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,379
professional conversation I can't

887
00:34:54,649 --> 00:34:51,599
imagine if I had a conversation like

888
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:54,659
that with an an admiral I'd be like I

889
00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:56,280
wouldn't even buy it I'd be like this

890
00:35:01,010 --> 00:34:58,980
guy's nuts right doesn't even make any

891
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,020
sense I mean it starts with this

892
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,839
argument of him getting livid over this

893
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:06,240
his name being associated with any of

894
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:08,220
this at all and this is the first time

895
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:11,640
he's met this guy uh who is supposedly

896
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:13,800
Eric Davis and then he spills the beans

897
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:16,140
on everything after he was upset that

898
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,780
anybody was talking about this at all it

899
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,119
just makes no sense it's so crazy and

900
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:23,760
wild I just don't know how it can go

901
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:26,460
anywhere this all came about

902
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,200
um I think I have this right there was a

903
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:31,200
Australian researcher and Dr Edgar

904
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:33,420
Mitchell's estate looking through his

905
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:35,579
files and he found this that's what I

906
00:35:40,970 --> 00:35:37,500
remember recalling about how it came

907
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:40,980
about but I do want to say things as an

908
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,020
appraiser I'm in a state all the time

909
00:35:47,089 --> 00:35:45,119
and appraising things that sometimes

910
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:47,099
documents or antique documents mostly

911
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:52,200
but I was in an FBI agent's estate and

912
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,500
he was in China and his China Foot

913
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:57,720
Locker when it was open was full of

914
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:00,480
documents and there I found mj-12

915
00:36:05,569 --> 00:36:03,359
documents you know copies of them right

916
00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:05,579
and I remember calling Stan Friedman I

917
00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:07,079
said is this bizarre or what but they

918
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:08,760
can just end up in someone's estate

919
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:10,500
maybe they have an interest in UFOs

920
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:14,280
maybe they whatever it is but these

921
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:16,740
things just because they're in an estate

922
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:20,400
and and an estate doesn't make them more

923
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:23,400
viable it doesn't change really anything

924
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:26,099
because maybe it was someone that gave

925
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:27,480
it to him he thought it was interesting

926
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:29,940
and tucked it away otherwise you know

927
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:32,700
why wouldn't he have exposed it back

928
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:34,980
then and so right and you run across

929
00:36:39,890 --> 00:36:37,740
this in the CIA and FBI Files

930
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:39,900
um and in this case now these Wilson

931
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:42,060
documents are part of the record of this

932
00:36:46,450 --> 00:36:44,280
here hearing that doesn't give them any

933
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,460
more validity at all

934
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:49,200
but uh

935
00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:51,300
but I and you know I want to answer a

936
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:52,859
couple questions one person would said

937
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:55,500
they haven't been debunked that oh let

938
00:37:00,109 --> 00:36:58,140
me let me some documentary I would

939
00:37:02,210 --> 00:37:00,119
disagree with that they've totally been

940
00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:02,220
debunked I mean when you go to when the

941
00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:04,500
only person involved is on the record

942
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:07,079
saying this did not happen that's a

943
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:09,300
debunking and I think that's a strong

944
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:10,980
debunking

945
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,380
um and it's not and I think that's where

946
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,079
people are confused it's not on them to

947
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:18,480
prove this didn't happen it's on us to

948
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,099
prove it did happen yeah and to you know

949
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:26,400
request any action of this Admiral to do

950
00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:28,140
anything to even address them at all

951
00:37:31,849 --> 00:37:30,119
what she's done on his own I don't think

952
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:31,859
we have any business to do that without

953
00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:34,260
any proof or evidence

954
00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:36,060
um I think that's harassing this poor

955
00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:38,579
guy and I think it's just it's I think

956
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:40,740
we need more proof than this goofy note

957
00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:42,900
that No One's Gonna admit to ownership

958
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:44,339
of

959
00:37:49,849 --> 00:37:47,640
um you know I can't imagine even if I

960
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:49,859
was backing it I can't imagine where you

961
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:52,440
would go with it or where it can even go

962
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,900
and the sad part about it is if anyone

963
00:37:58,849 --> 00:37:55,920
like

964
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:58,859
uh this Wilson is going Admiral Wilson

965
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:01,680
is going to deny it the first thing that

966
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:03,420
comes out of everyone's mouth is of

967
00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:05,220
course he's going to deny it he's lying

968
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:07,500
he's covering it up you know that that

969
00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:10,260
is what you hear and he there's no way

970
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:13,320
no way to uh win in that situation

971
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:15,420
exactly and when it comes down to his or

972
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,160
he said or she said that's the only

973
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:20,160
place it can go and and he said she said

974
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:22,380
battle you know he's gonna win he's an

975
00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:23,880
admiral

976
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,940
um and nobody has any proof that what he

977
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,800
said it didn't occur you know there's

978
00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:31,200
there's zero proof that

979
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,339
um

980
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:35,520
that he's lying about this so unless

981
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:36,480
someone came up with something

982
00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:38,520
convincing

983
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:39,780
um that's what I keep saying you know

984
00:38:44,569 --> 00:38:42,780
and and I really for Davis to say hope

985
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:44,579
he doesn't come out and talk about this

986
00:38:49,609 --> 00:38:47,280
because it would hurt his career and if

987
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:49,619
he does come out and talk about this

988
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:51,480
and and this would be the best scenario

989
00:38:55,490 --> 00:38:53,220
he better have his receipts he better

990
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,500
have some evidence and if he does come

991
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,480
out and talk about this and has evidence

992
00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:59,280
of course that would be exciting and

993
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,140
that would be great because we could go

994
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:03,359
somewhere with it at that point but I

995
00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:05,400
think he's kind of enjoying him not

996
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:08,460
talking about it I think so too because

997
00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:09,900
you know he's working for a company

998
00:39:13,550 --> 00:39:11,940
called the Aerospace corporation which

999
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:13,560
is a think tank

1000
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:16,440
um an aerospace Think Tank uh and a lot

1001
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:19,020
of what they do is very sensitive

1002
00:39:23,089 --> 00:39:21,000
and they've told them don't talk about

1003
00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:23,099
this he's even said I can't talk about

1004
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,060
this

1005
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,400
so um

1006
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:29,520
for that reason so you know him talking

1007
00:39:34,490 --> 00:39:31,800
about addressing it at all is him

1008
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:34,500
um you know putting his career on the

1009
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:37,500
line and um unless he has a good re

1010
00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:39,420
unless he can prove something you know

1011
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:40,920
it would be terrible if he had to come

1012
00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:42,420
out and say something and then nothing

1013
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:45,240
happens and he damaged his career over

1014
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:46,619
something like this and it's happened

1015
00:39:53,329 --> 00:39:49,619
before Edgar Fouche uh was a scientist

1016
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:53,339
who brat about like all this tr3b crap

1017
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:56,280
and um he was given fake information in

1018
00:40:02,690 --> 00:39:59,820
fact he was early on given a a stealth

1019
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:02,700
bomber picture and was told this is the

1020
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,240
tr-3b that was completely false he got

1021
00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:08,480
in trouble though for sharing it because

1022
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:12,300
he like Eric Davis had classifications

1023
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:16,319
and worked in on classified projects but

1024
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:19,140
if you're given something and told this

1025
00:40:24,190 --> 00:40:21,660
is classified you cannot share that

1026
00:40:26,809 --> 00:40:24,200
whether it's real or not in this case

1027
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:26,819
the stealth bomber or the stealth

1028
00:40:30,530 --> 00:40:28,260
fighter that he got a picture of

1029
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:30,540
obviously was not a tr3b so that was

1030
00:40:35,329 --> 00:40:32,460
false but he still got in trouble

1031
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:35,339
because they said even if it's false you

1032
00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:36,900
don't know whether it's classified or

1033
00:40:41,569 --> 00:40:39,420
not you can't share that that is

1034
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:41,579
breaking your oath to

1035
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,900
um you know keep classified information

1036
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:44,400
classified

1037
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:48,000
so uh so that's the other danger okay

1038
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,020
the tr3b I had someone call me from New

1039
00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:54,599
York state that said I understand you

1040
00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:58,020
are the expert on the tr3pm I said I

1041
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:00,780
have no idea that that is

1042
00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:04,380
that is that a rumor that I mean I guess

1043
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,599
uh Michael a rumor that you're attached

1044
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:08,160
to it no no

1045
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:10,260
that it's real

1046
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,420
oh yeah there's a huge rumor in fact I

1047
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,880
think you know the the the rule of thumb

1048
00:41:19,309 --> 00:41:17,040
out in the UFO Community is that it's

1049
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:19,319
real I think that a lot of people you

1050
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:20,700
know whenever you talk about triangular

1051
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:23,339
UFOs oh that's a tr3b which is a

1052
00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:25,380
dangerous and uh

1053
00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:27,540
perspective because then people blow it

1054
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:29,640
off and they don't pay attention uh

1055
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:31,859
triangle UFOs are obviously a great

1056
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,220
mystery and um they're not tr3b in fact

1057
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:38,160
I'm skeptical there is ever been a tr3b

1058
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:40,140
even if there was maybe there is a

1059
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,680
prototype maybe but probably not the if

1060
00:41:47,809 --> 00:41:45,359
you look at the background it's just

1061
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:47,819
rumor and hearsay type of stuff there's

1062
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:51,119
zero evidence that there is a real tr3b

1063
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:52,680
um I don't think that there was a real

1064
00:41:58,130 --> 00:41:56,400
tr3b uh really the the I think there'd

1065
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,140
be two experts Michael Stratton on the

1066
00:42:02,210 --> 00:41:59,760
pro side that's what I was thinking yeah

1067
00:42:05,329 --> 00:42:02,220
because he was friends and then uh David

1068
00:42:06,829 --> 00:42:05,339
Marler on the con side David Marler of

1069
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:06,839
course being the specialist on

1070
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:09,180
triangular UFOs and he did a great talk

1071
00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:10,920
actually in Arizona just a couple

1072
00:42:14,690 --> 00:42:12,900
weekends ago I was there and hopefully

1073
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:14,700
they'll let me a lot of times they let

1074
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:17,339
me post uh on YouTube some of the

1075
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,660
lectures and I'm gonna see if I can post

1076
00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:20,640
this one because he did a great job he

1077
00:42:26,569 --> 00:42:24,060
was like okay tr3b best case you know

1078
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:26,579
started in the 80s well let me show you

1079
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,420
all the triangle sightings prior to 1975

1080
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,119
right and they were you know he had an

1081
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,280
abundance of extraordinary craft in fact

1082
00:42:38,990 --> 00:42:36,720
many

1083
00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:39,000
um credible cases in which you know as a

1084
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:40,680
triangle with the light configuration

1085
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,640
people ascribed to the tr-3b so I think

1086
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:46,319
he you know can demonstrate this

1087
00:42:52,730 --> 00:42:49,800
phenomenon of these particular type of

1088
00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:52,740
triangular craft even pre-date

1089
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:56,099
um this potential tr3b so he addresses

1090
00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:57,660
that in a great manner

1091
00:43:01,849 --> 00:42:59,339
um really wonderful talk all of his

1092
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:01,859
talks are great yeah I think the world

1093
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:03,780
of him yeah I'd like to hear that talk

1094
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:05,700
myself you know I mean yeah you will

1095
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,220
love it so I'll get that online or if

1096
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,920
I'm sure she's gonna let me post it yeah

1097
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:12,960
yeah all right so going back to what

1098
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,260
we're talking about the uh the

1099
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:18,000
controversy

1100
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:20,339
about atip

1101
00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:24,720
um so evidently atip did was not funded

1102
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:28,740
does that mean that that was more of a

1103
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:30,300
hobby

1104
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:32,940
so here's the confusion and this is

1105
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:35,640
where it is really confusing and this is

1106
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:36,900
why

1107
00:43:41,690 --> 00:43:39,780
this is kind of uh kind of plays to

1108
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:41,700
Brian Bender's complaint about not

1109
00:43:46,910 --> 00:43:44,040
getting the full story because a lot of

1110
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:46,920
this confusion is because a lot of

1111
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:50,280
details was left out and now we get this

1112
00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:52,260
detail but we can also see that not

1113
00:43:55,790 --> 00:43:54,300
everybody's on the same page and that's

1114
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:55,800
what is kind of the root of the

1115
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:57,420
frustration of people like John

1116
00:44:02,329 --> 00:43:59,640
Greenwald he's like whose version of

1117
00:44:03,770 --> 00:44:02,339
this should I listen to

1118
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:03,780
um I would kind of argue though that

1119
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:06,359
that's a bit in the weeds

1120
00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:09,180
that it's it's important and interesting

1121
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:11,579
to know but it doesn't negate the big

1122
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,560
picture and the big picture right now I

1123
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,359
think is more important

1124
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:18,000
um which is this so

1125
00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:20,700
ASAP I just talked about how ASAP was

1126
00:44:25,609 --> 00:44:23,220
his paranormal project and it was hidden

1127
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:25,619
Reed and the others didn't want it

1128
00:44:29,290 --> 00:44:27,060
getting out that they were doing working

1129
00:44:33,069 --> 00:44:29,300
on this paranormal investing 22

1130
00:44:36,589 --> 00:44:33,079
paranormal investigation so when read

1131
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:36,599
first started you know wrote a memo

1132
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:38,940
where he wanted it to get sap access

1133
00:44:44,569 --> 00:44:42,839
which is special project access

1134
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:44,579
um and that's essentially the the

1135
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,980
correct term for a black project so he

1136
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,720
wanted it to be a black project not just

1137
00:44:53,329 --> 00:44:51,119
to hide what they were doing but more so

1138
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:53,339
to get access to other sap programs

1139
00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:55,319
other black projects

1140
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:57,900
um he was denied but in that memo

1141
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:00,540
instead of using the term ASAP for the

1142
00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:02,760
name of the group he used the term atip

1143
00:45:06,190 --> 00:45:05,160
Advanced Aerospace threat identification

1144
00:45:09,770 --> 00:45:06,200
program

1145
00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:09,780
which was essentially a nickname that he

1146
00:45:13,309 --> 00:45:11,880
and lachaski had come up with and we

1147
00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:13,319
know more about the details from the

1148
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:15,480
lachaski book now the skinwalkers at the

1149
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:17,400
Pentagon so they came up with this

1150
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,380
nickname a tip because they didn't want

1151
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:22,079
people to know about ASAP and they put

1152
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:24,780
that in the memo so atip the first time

1153
00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:27,900
the term was used was as a nickname for

1154
00:45:34,609 --> 00:45:31,020
ASAP to kind of hide what ASAP was up to

1155
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:34,619
was time moved on Elizondo joins the

1156
00:45:39,770 --> 00:45:37,500
program in about 2009 and this is when

1157
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:39,780
ASAP is going away this is when ASAP

1158
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:42,420
funding is ending and

1159
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:45,000
um they decided Well let's continue this

1160
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:49,560
portfolio uh of UAP military sightings

1161
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:52,800
under the turn under the name atip and

1162
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:55,380
that's what we'll do because by this

1163
00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:57,900
time the name ASAP had gotten out there

1164
00:46:01,490 --> 00:45:59,940
according to Lou there were a lot of

1165
00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:01,500
religious fundamentalists who were

1166
00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:03,060
scared of the weird paranormal stuff

1167
00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:04,440
they were looking into and they didn't

1168
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:06,180
want him to

1169
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:08,220
um after actually Harry Reid put out

1170
00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:11,400
that memo with atip in it lachaski says

1171
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:13,560
in the book that the ASAP name and their

1172
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:15,599
what they were doing got out there by

1173
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,460
essentially people detractors people who

1174
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:19,200
didn't like what they're doing let

1175
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:20,520
everybody know hey look what these

1176
00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:23,339
goofballs are up to so ASAP had to kind

1177
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:28,859
of go away and so what uh Lou and what

1178
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:30,839
they had decided to do was keep looking

1179
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:33,300
at these military UAP sightings so

1180
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:35,400
that's what Lou inherited the money was

1181
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,180
gone atip was not funded but it's more

1182
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,240
accurate to call it a portfolio and this

1183
00:46:47,569 --> 00:46:44,640
is you know where Lou and and Nick Pope

1184
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:47,579
kind of have a similar problem this is a

1185
00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:53,390
um and it's files that they're looking

1186
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:54,300
into

1187
00:46:58,190 --> 00:46:56,460
a lot of people ascribe the name project

1188
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,200
or program

1189
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:01,200
um which are descriptive terms in what

1190
00:47:04,849 --> 00:47:03,060
they were doing it was a project it was

1191
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:04,859
technically in general terms a project

1192
00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:07,020
that they were working on but it wasn't

1193
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:09,180
a technical program or project that was

1194
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:12,780
receiving any direct funding it was a

1195
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:14,760
bit of a passion project but it's more

1196
00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:17,160
along the lines of uh you know like we

1197
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:19,619
see on TV a lot of times where uh

1198
00:47:24,049 --> 00:47:22,500
detective is got his heart in a case and

1199
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,059
he doesn't want to let it go he wants to

1200
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,400
find the bad guy and the boss says all

1201
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:28,440
right detective I'll let you keep

1202
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:30,780
working on that but don't forget your

1203
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:33,300
other responsibilities it's that sort of

1204
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:35,700
thing it was the type of thing and I've

1205
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,040
seen letters from Lou where it is

1206
00:47:43,549 --> 00:47:40,319
something you're assigned to so he was

1207
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:43,559
assigned to this atip portfolio and so

1208
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:46,319
were others and so it was a real working

1209
00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:48,119
kind of

1210
00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:50,040
project even though it's not technically

1211
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:51,960
a project the more accurate term is a

1212
00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:54,780
portfolio that's the term that um Brian

1213
00:48:00,109 --> 00:47:57,420
Bender uses and it's a term that you

1214
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,119
often hear it's just portfolio is kind

1215
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:02,160
of confusing for the public so portfolio

1216
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,579
often gets replaced by project by the

1217
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:07,920
media or by people speaking to it

1218
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:10,200
because Nick Pope was the same there was

1219
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:13,380
no technical UFO desk but he was working

1220
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,720
at the desk that received the UFO files

1221
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,760
so Nick Polk was working on those UFO

1222
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:20,160
files people complain oh he says he was

1223
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:22,200
working on the UFO project or the UFO

1224
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:25,140
desk those didn't exist true but how is

1225
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:26,700
he supposed to describe what he worked

1226
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:28,920
on him or Lou and you know it they're

1227
00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:31,319
not the ones that so it's a semantics

1228
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,940
thing but I think the best way to call

1229
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:35,520
it was a portfolio so it was something

1230
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:38,040
he could uh probably spend as much for

1231
00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:40,500
as little time as he wanted on it but he

1232
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:42,420
definitely it was a real thing that he

1233
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:44,280
and others were working on and they were

1234
00:48:49,069 --> 00:48:46,740
also coordinating with others on as well

1235
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:49,079
and that's been confirmed

1236
00:48:52,609 --> 00:48:50,700
um it's been confirmed in this leading

1237
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:52,619
here latest hearing they confirmed atip

1238
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,940
was a real thing

1239
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:55,440
um and we've confirmed that you know

1240
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:57,420
through several different Outlets of

1241
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:00,540
what uh that atip was real uh and that

1242
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,480
Lou was truly you know assigned to this

1243
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,000
this is something he was assigned to

1244
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,160
um and that he was working so when you

1245
00:49:12,290 --> 00:49:10,319
hear like the the basement podcast or

1246
00:49:15,170 --> 00:49:12,300
something like that where when Green

1247
00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:15,180
Street is basically saying that Lou

1248
00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:18,300
didn't have anything to do with

1249
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,579
with it basically

1250
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:22,640
um he in fact

1251
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:25,980
was working something it just wasn't a

1252
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:28,380
funded program

1253
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:32,160
right he was working a portfolio and yep

1254
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,339
Martin says hi but uh

1255
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:37,680
a portfolio yeah it's just like anything

1256
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:40,440
you know if you're on um if you're

1257
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:42,660
someone who's working on let's say

1258
00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:45,960
several Accounts at your work uh or if

1259
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,220
you're in law enforcement and you're

1260
00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:49,440
working on several cases it's the same

1261
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,000
thing you've got an account I'm working

1262
00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:53,760
five different accounts uh one of them's

1263
00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:55,380
the Johnson account it's the same thing

1264
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,300
you know elizondo's doing all this

1265
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:00,720
camera intelligence uh for uh you know

1266
00:50:06,109 --> 00:50:03,839
terrorism but he's got this one UAP case

1267
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,119
that he's also working on our file that

1268
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,400
he's working on and that file includes a

1269
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,079
bunch of different cases that they're

1270
00:50:13,849 --> 00:50:12,240
working so it's along those lines and it

1271
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:13,859
is kind of confusing to describe

1272
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:15,720
although

1273
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:18,180
and and so what Green Street is talking

1274
00:50:23,329 --> 00:50:22,200
to though is that this game between the

1275
00:50:24,109 --> 00:50:23,339
DIA

1276
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:24,119
um

1277
00:50:30,349 --> 00:50:28,200
you know people the the demon the the

1278
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:30,359
bad person the person who's gotten kind

1279
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:32,700
of deemed as the enemy of ufology as

1280
00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:35,700
this Susan go who is uh the pr person

1281
00:50:45,049 --> 00:50:43,190
and you know they've been putting out

1282
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:45,059
some spurious information information

1283
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:47,460
that is misleading or just outright

1284
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:48,660
false

1285
00:50:55,130 --> 00:50:52,260
um disparaging Lou or his Association uh

1286
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,140
or assignment to any of this and that's

1287
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:57,599
been the struggle and according to Lou

1288
00:51:01,970 --> 00:50:59,819
this is all mostly due to his boss is

1289
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:01,980
Harry Reid who has just kind of relieved

1290
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,680
of his responsibilities recently

1291
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:06,599
um he said he was really against this

1292
00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:10,140
Lou seemed to not trust him and so he

1293
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:12,180
didn't share you know what he's doing on

1294
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:14,940
uaps with this and and Lou said that's

1295
00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:16,619
where a lot of this blowback has come

1296
00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:18,660
from as well as you know people just not

1297
00:51:22,730 --> 00:51:20,040
being happy with him coming out and

1298
00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:22,740
talking about this so uh Green Street

1299
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,140
has kind of said hey you know the DIA

1300
00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:27,359
makes some good points we don't see any

1301
00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:30,839
proof of some of these other aspects of

1302
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,280
this program

1303
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,319
um so what's going on here

1304
00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:37,200
um and he's also saying you know uh Lou

1305
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:38,579
has not just said the same thing as

1306
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,520
lachaski or to as Eric Davis and so for

1307
00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:43,680
into what I mean by that is I've

1308
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:46,920
interviewed Lou and Eric Davis on this

1309
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:48,180
topic

1310
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:50,579
these anybody else have this problem

1311
00:51:54,530 --> 00:51:52,920
with these yeah Pros don't see in your

1312
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,540
ear but anyway

1313
00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:57,119
uh Davis had told me

1314
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:00,119
atip was a name that Harry Reid made up

1315
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:02,760
and he got the name wrong of the program

1316
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,500
and that was his perspective as a

1317
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:06,240
contractor that's what he thought

1318
00:52:12,049 --> 00:52:07,200
happened

1319
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:12,059
I asked Lou Lou said well

1320
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:17,450
that Harry Reid had used the term I

1321
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:19,740
can't remember exactly what Lou had said

1322
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:21,540
to be honest right now but it was a

1323
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:23,160
little different than what lachaski had

1324
00:52:27,049 --> 00:52:25,380
said so there are differences but I

1325
00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:27,059
think those differences are from their

1326
00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:29,940
different perspectives you know Lou

1327
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,040
wasn't in the meeting when they chose in

1328
00:52:36,770 --> 00:52:34,559
their name essentially so he only has

1329
00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:36,780
what he thinks was the reason that they

1330
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:38,700
chose the name and I think that's what

1331
00:52:44,809 --> 00:52:42,240
happens a lot but also

1332
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:44,819
um it's a little bit of parsing words no

1333
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:46,140
doubt

1334
00:52:50,109 --> 00:52:48,180
um saying hey Lou said this but he said

1335
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:50,119
this here

1336
00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:52,980
Green Street is translating those as

1337
00:52:57,470 --> 00:52:55,140
completely opposite

1338
00:52:59,809 --> 00:52:57,480
um so he sees deception whereas someone

1339
00:53:02,030 --> 00:52:59,819
like me sees just different verbiage

1340
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,040
being used and that there is a

1341
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:04,079
connection typically

1342
00:53:09,230 --> 00:53:06,420
um and that's where kind of these issues

1343
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,240
are I'm much less quick to say these

1344
00:53:13,549 --> 00:53:11,520
guys are lying or deceiving people I

1345
00:53:15,770 --> 00:53:13,559
think that they're just describing

1346
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,780
things as best as they can in that if

1347
00:53:19,970 --> 00:53:17,280
you actually had a conversation and get

1348
00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:19,980
together which typically they have a

1349
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,480
reason as to why they used whatever

1350
00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:24,480
verbiage they use

1351
00:53:29,569 --> 00:53:26,940
well well it's all interesting and and

1352
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,579
you know I watched uh green Street's the

1353
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,960
basement

1354
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:32,640
um whatever it's called podcast or

1355
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:35,579
office whatever basement office and

1356
00:53:41,089 --> 00:53:39,300
I was more confused than anything else

1357
00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:41,099
when I got yeah

1358
00:53:45,950 --> 00:53:43,500
you know and and here's the unfortunate

1359
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:45,960
thing with what Green Street has been up

1360
00:53:52,060 --> 00:53:50,400
to is I feel that maybe he could build a

1361
00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:52,070
good case for

1362
00:53:53,329 --> 00:53:52,619
[Music]

1363
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:53,339
um

1364
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:57,000
potential deception going on and you

1365
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,540
know potential uh misleading terms in

1366
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:02,400
that hey they said this once and they

1367
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,140
said this another time

1368
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:06,480
um there might be some cases like that

1369
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:09,119
of which then you can ask directly why

1370
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:11,220
did you say this at this time and this

1371
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:12,000
time

1372
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:16,319
but a lot of his videos also full of

1373
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:17,839
things that are just

1374
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,760
misrepresentations or falsehoods

1375
00:54:24,589 --> 00:54:22,800
themselves I think there's a lot of

1376
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,599
misleading

1377
00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:26,880
um stuff in that video and so it's

1378
00:54:30,970 --> 00:54:28,680
unfortunately because green Street's

1379
00:54:32,809 --> 00:54:30,980
doing a lot of what he's accusing

1380
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:32,819
Elizondo of doing where he's

1381
00:54:37,549 --> 00:54:35,460
misrepresenting a lot of and I think he

1382
00:54:38,990 --> 00:54:37,559
knows because there are certainly things

1383
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,000
that I've conversed with him on Twitter

1384
00:54:43,309 --> 00:54:41,760
where he took the take that is

1385
00:54:44,329 --> 00:54:43,319
inaccurate

1386
00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:44,339
um

1387
00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:47,700
and so it's that's always unfortunate I

1388
00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:49,740
I so I I think you need to take green

1389
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:51,660
Street's information with a huge grain

1390
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:52,980
of salt

1391
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:54,540
um

1392
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,599
right well there's uh I was just gonna

1393
00:55:01,069 --> 00:54:59,760
see if I could pull up this

1394
00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:01,079
letter

1395
00:55:07,730 --> 00:55:05,880
I mean by that um

1396
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:07,740
that that's one thing that he never he

1397
00:55:14,569 --> 00:55:12,000
never brought up in that video is when

1398
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,579
Harry Reid confirmed

1399
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:16,559
uh I had it here but I can't seem to

1400
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,839
find it oh right right and that's the

1401
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:20,880
other thing yeah we have an abundance of

1402
00:55:24,829 --> 00:55:23,520
evidence and I think that you know and

1403
00:55:26,510 --> 00:55:24,839
and this is where people are kind of

1404
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:26,520
getting confused too

1405
00:55:32,030 --> 00:55:28,740
journalists don't typically rely much on

1406
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:32,040
foia because foia takes forever

1407
00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:34,500
um so for instance I made an uh a

1408
00:55:41,329 --> 00:55:37,020
request like many others for the ASAP

1409
00:55:44,089 --> 00:55:41,339
DAC docs uh years ago soon you know as

1410
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:44,099
soon as we knew the name ASAP many of us

1411
00:55:50,089 --> 00:55:47,040
put in foyers we went to ASAP docs we

1412
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:50,099
just got those a couple months ago and

1413
00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:52,500
it seems like a lot are missing but the

1414
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,140
point is it took years for those to get

1415
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,839
out you can't wait years for a story so

1416
00:56:02,089 --> 00:55:59,280
what do you do as a journalist you

1417
00:56:05,089 --> 00:56:02,099
develop sources people like Elizondo

1418
00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:05,099
read melon you go to the first hand

1419
00:56:09,530 --> 00:56:07,079
people who were there first-hand

1420
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:09,540
Witnesses and you ask them firsthand

1421
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:11,640
Witnesses in those this case are Harry

1422
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:15,780
Reid the contractors uh Bigelow how put

1423
00:56:21,230 --> 00:56:18,420
off Eric Davis these are the first

1424
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,240
person let's ask you who ran it these

1425
00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:23,040
are the first person in the know people

1426
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:25,500
they're the ones you ask and all of

1427
00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:26,940
these people have confirmed what

1428
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:30,780
Elizondo saying so um maybe Elizondo

1429
00:56:34,970 --> 00:56:33,180
isn't clear about some of the aspects

1430
00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:34,980
they're complaining about but when it

1431
00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:37,260
comes to the big picture and the Big

1432
00:56:41,930 --> 00:56:39,480
Ticket items that have been reported on

1433
00:56:42,589 --> 00:56:41,940
you know he's been accurate

1434
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:42,599
um

1435
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:44,220
and so

1436
00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:46,440
I think that's what's important

1437
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:51,000
right no no I agree I agree with you so

1438
00:56:56,569 --> 00:56:52,559
um yeah and they're the only other thing

1439
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,579
that I heard a lot was that

1440
00:57:01,609 --> 00:56:59,760
um the time the times were off

1441
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:01,619
when the program was supposed to start

1442
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,079
you know maybe that's that maybe that

1443
00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:06,000
was a simple error or whatever but that

1444
00:57:15,410 --> 00:57:13,370
when where I kind of

1445
00:57:19,609 --> 00:57:15,420
um

1446
00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:19,619
think that the critics have everything

1447
00:57:25,370 --> 00:57:23,220
completely wrong and lachaski talks

1448
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:25,380
about this in his book as well

1449
00:57:31,309 --> 00:57:27,780
you know they're talking about you know

1450
00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:31,319
timing as to when the program started

1451
00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:34,380
versus when the contract request went

1452
00:57:40,130 --> 00:57:37,020
out and when Bigelow was hired there's

1453
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:40,140
nothing abnormal about any of that at

1454
00:57:44,809 --> 00:57:42,599
all because it's very clearly laid out

1455
00:57:47,809 --> 00:57:44,819
and like lachaski says they keep talking

1456
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:47,819
about how you know ASAP was in existence

1457
00:57:54,049 --> 00:57:50,700
for a period of time before bass was

1458
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:54,059
hired so what they and that ASAP had

1459
00:57:58,370 --> 00:57:55,319
staff

1460
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,380
of course they did this is a Dia project

1461
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:00,960
when the project gets started you need

1462
00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:03,839
to hire some people to figure out the

1463
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,980
project to put together the request

1464
00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:10,319
um for bids from contractors and then

1465
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:12,540
get that out there so and now we know

1466
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,760
from lachaski's book there was even some

1467
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:17,040
work being done that lachaski had that

1468
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:18,180
Nimitz

1469
00:58:23,390 --> 00:58:21,119
document that George Knapp leaked uh

1470
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,400
created during that period of time right

1471
00:58:28,250 --> 00:58:25,680
when OSAP started so there was work

1472
00:58:30,049 --> 00:58:28,260
going on that lachaski was doing even

1473
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,059
before they got Bigelow on as a

1474
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:32,640
contractor you know some people have

1475
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:34,980
called it a sweetheart deal Bender even

1476
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,740
calls it that but I think people get

1477
00:58:43,549 --> 00:58:40,079
misconstrue that and it's a sweetheart

1478
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,559
deal but what was that the gift the gift

1479
00:58:48,589 --> 00:58:46,319
to Bass was not 22 million dollars

1480
00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:48,599
according to Bigelow he actually had to

1481
00:58:52,370 --> 00:58:50,700
spend more than 22 dollars something

1482
00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:52,380
like 10 million of his own dollars

1483
00:58:56,329 --> 00:58:54,540
because 22 wasn't enough and I believe

1484
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,339
him because he's always spent a lot of

1485
00:58:59,329 --> 00:58:58,319
money on this but yes

1486
00:59:02,210 --> 00:58:59,339
um

1487
00:59:04,910 --> 00:59:02,220
what the gift was was the opportunity to

1488
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,920
do this official government paranormal

1489
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:07,200
project and who else would have done it

1490
00:59:11,210 --> 00:59:09,359
they're trying to say that this was you

1491
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,220
know this kind of pork belly project

1492
00:59:13,849 --> 00:59:12,960
type of thing

1493
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:13,859
um

1494
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,660
but I don't think there's any evidence

1495
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:18,480
of that uh they there could be evidence

1496
00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:21,599
of you know kind of a sweetheart deal to

1497
00:59:25,609 --> 00:59:23,700
give Bigelow that this paranormal

1498
00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:25,619
project but that's what these guys

1499
00:59:30,349 --> 00:59:27,960
wanted to do in the first place and I

1500
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:30,359
think you know Harry Reid's job is to

1501
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:33,839
represent his his constituents and I

1502
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:35,880
think that certainly if we did a poll

1503
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:37,980
right here but I think if you did a poll

1504
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:39,900
with the American public and asked hey

1505
00:59:43,609 --> 00:59:41,400
do you want the government to at least

1506
00:59:46,130 --> 00:59:43,619
have a small program where they're

1507
00:59:49,130 --> 00:59:46,140
looking into the Paranormal I think most

1508
00:59:50,750 --> 00:59:49,140
people would say yes you know I think a

1509
00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:50,760
lot of people are into ghosts and all of

1510
00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:52,260
these other things and would like

1511
00:59:58,370 --> 00:59:55,799
something like this so I I don't see you

1512
01:00:01,490 --> 00:59:58,380
know this is this big

1513
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,500
kind of pork belly handshake type of

1514
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,839
thing that people are talking about and

1515
01:00:07,309 --> 01:00:05,520
even when they talk about the contract

1516
01:00:09,890 --> 01:00:07,319
itself saying it was custom made for

1517
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:09,900
Bigelow that Bigelow started up his bass

1518
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,960
group to win that contract before the

1519
01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:15,119
contract was even out there or before

1520
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,380
you know

1521
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:18,960
um the bid was out true but of course

1522
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,359
he's going to have early notification

1523
01:00:26,510 --> 01:00:23,760
that the project started because you

1524
01:00:29,150 --> 01:00:26,520
know he was requested by this Dia agent

1525
01:00:30,589 --> 01:00:29,160
in I believe it was 2005 to go visit the

1526
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:30,599
ranch because this guy read the book

1527
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,000
that guy came to the ranch had his own

1528
01:00:38,809 --> 01:00:34,880
paranormal experience

1529
01:00:42,349 --> 01:00:38,819
lachaski and then started ASAP so

1530
01:00:44,089 --> 01:00:42,359
Bigelow was in the conversation from the

1531
01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:44,099
beginning and it was all about

1532
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:47,400
researching a ranch that he owned so of

1533
01:00:50,750 --> 01:00:48,960
course he's going to be in the loop on

1534
01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:50,760
what's going on and that this is coming

1535
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,500
down the pike

1536
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:54,960
um other companies did have the

1537
01:01:00,829 --> 01:00:58,559
opportunity to bid for this project but

1538
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:00,839
who's going to bid for a paranormal

1539
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,799
investigation when uh of a ranch when

1540
01:01:09,770 --> 01:01:06,480
you're you're bidding against the guy

1541
01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:09,780
who owns the ranch who also has an

1542
01:01:15,650 --> 01:01:12,420
entire Aerospace organization who he's

1543
01:01:16,670 --> 01:01:15,660
willing to to put into this as well you

1544
01:01:17,870 --> 01:01:16,680
know you're going to lose you're going

1545
01:01:19,549 --> 01:01:17,880
to lose to the guy with the more

1546
01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:19,559
knowledge and and this happens where

1547
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:22,020
companies have proprietary technologies

1548
01:01:27,950 --> 01:01:25,440
that and they're contracted to

1549
01:01:30,589 --> 01:01:27,960
um for whatever those proprietary

1550
01:01:32,030 --> 01:01:30,599
proprietary assets are and they're not

1551
01:01:34,670 --> 01:01:32,040
going to give up their proprietary

1552
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:34,680
assets to Lockheed because they won the

1553
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,180
contract no that's not going to happen

1554
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:39,119
so it often the bidder with the

1555
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:42,180
proprietary whatever ever it is is a

1556
01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:44,040
winner for that reason they're the only

1557
01:01:49,609 --> 01:01:46,020
ones who can do it

1558
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:49,619
um so so I don't think I don't there's a

1559
01:01:54,289 --> 01:01:51,359
little bit of smoke I don't see really

1560
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:54,299
any fires though and I think the biggest

1561
01:02:01,609 --> 01:01:58,319
indicator is the DIA has obviously been

1562
01:02:03,710 --> 01:02:01,619
um challenging Elizondo and and the

1563
01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:03,720
group and they have not raised any

1564
01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:06,660
concerns I think that if the DIA had an

1565
01:02:09,410 --> 01:02:08,220
issue with any of this we would hear

1566
01:02:10,849 --> 01:02:09,420
from it

1567
01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:10,859
um and one of the biggest pieces of

1568
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:13,260
evidence of that is that uh they

1569
01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:15,200
launched that Air Force OSI

1570
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:17,660
investigation about the videos

1571
01:02:22,130 --> 01:02:20,640
essentially saying look these videos Lou

1572
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,140
wasn't supposed to put those out let's

1573
01:02:26,809 --> 01:02:24,480
you know investigate this and

1574
01:02:29,210 --> 01:02:26,819
potentially bust them on it and it

1575
01:02:31,490 --> 01:02:29,220
turned out that Lou was not that the

1576
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:31,500
videos were not classified so there

1577
01:02:35,150 --> 01:02:32,880
wasn't a problem with Lou putting those

1578
01:02:37,609 --> 01:02:35,160
out so well he didn't actually put them

1579
01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:37,619
out the very first time though right

1580
01:02:44,270 --> 01:02:40,020
because wasn't there that German company

1581
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:44,280
that the the the gimbal one was released

1582
01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:47,280
in you know years ahead yeah the the

1583
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,299
that one was released soon after it was

1584
01:02:57,770 --> 01:02:53,760
available hmm

1585
01:02:59,870 --> 01:02:57,780
um it's a mystery who did that uh from

1586
01:03:01,789 --> 01:02:59,880
behind the scenes uh I guess there are

1587
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:01,799
people in the military know who it was

1588
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,440
and

1589
01:03:09,529 --> 01:03:06,960
it was just someone who was upset

1590
01:03:12,109 --> 01:03:09,539
so from what I understand it was someone

1591
01:03:14,510 --> 01:03:12,119
who was upset about the ridicule who was

1592
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:14,520
essentially saying look this happened

1593
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,280
and it was real here's the video and

1594
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:19,440
that's why they put it out and I believe

1595
01:03:25,309 --> 01:03:22,799
you know it then was reviewed by a

1596
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,319
a military blog

1597
01:03:28,970 --> 01:03:27,359
um and that's how I first came many of

1598
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:28,980
us first were aware about the Nimitz

1599
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:31,920
incident and uh and that person probably

1600
01:03:36,650 --> 01:03:34,799
knew who leaked it as well and was

1601
01:03:38,750 --> 01:03:36,660
probably alerted by that person to write

1602
01:03:41,210 --> 01:03:38,760
that story but essentially yeah that was

1603
01:03:43,309 --> 01:03:41,220
somebody and and uh from you know

1604
01:03:45,710 --> 01:03:43,319
listening to your interview with Sean

1605
01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:45,720
Cahill recently you know he was talking

1606
01:03:50,990 --> 01:03:48,780
about how that video was available to

1607
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:51,000
everybody and everybody on the ship or

1608
01:03:55,010 --> 01:03:53,220
at least in the Nimitz carrier strike

1609
01:03:58,010 --> 01:03:55,020
group it sounds like

1610
01:04:00,289 --> 01:03:58,020
um we're watching that video and

1611
01:04:02,750 --> 01:04:00,299
um aware of it so any one of those

1612
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:02,760
people could have recorded it with their

1613
01:04:07,549 --> 01:04:05,039
phone and that's what I think happened

1614
01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:07,559
and then released it so that one was

1615
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:11,160
released but you know early on it was

1616
01:04:14,750 --> 01:04:13,440
leaked and that person could have gotten

1617
01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:14,760
in trouble maybe they won't at this

1618
01:04:18,529 --> 01:04:15,900
point

1619
01:04:20,210 --> 01:04:18,539
um but that's a sticky subject but uh

1620
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:20,220
that person has not gotten in trouble as

1621
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,420
far as I know

1622
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:23,280
then after that the New York Times

1623
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:26,400
leaked the uh videos one of the big

1624
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:28,799
arguments John Greenwald has is that

1625
01:04:32,329 --> 01:04:30,720
obviously you know they're saying the

1626
01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:32,339
New York Times got those from Elizondo

1627
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:34,380
and Elizondo said that's not the case so

1628
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:36,240
was Leslie Kane

1629
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:38,940
um and Chris Mellon finally came out all

1630
01:04:42,170 --> 01:04:40,319
of these in my interviews where they've

1631
01:04:44,210 --> 01:04:42,180
denied these or come out and then Chris

1632
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:44,220
Mellon came out and said I was the one

1633
01:04:50,029 --> 01:04:46,319
who put out that video I'm not sure if I

1634
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,039
bent any rules and if I did tough I want

1635
01:04:54,049 --> 01:04:52,559
this topic is more important and I was

1636
01:04:55,130 --> 01:04:54,059
willing to bend rules to make this

1637
01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:55,140
happen

1638
01:04:58,910 --> 01:04:57,059
um and he's you know very Unapologetic

1639
01:05:01,609 --> 01:04:58,920
about it which I appreciate to be honest

1640
01:05:04,849 --> 01:05:01,619
I think um I really appreciate what he

1641
01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:04,859
did and I think you know I I don't

1642
01:05:10,430 --> 01:05:06,180
so

1643
01:05:11,930 --> 01:05:10,440
Elizondo says he didn't provide them

1644
01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:11,940
Chris melon has come out and said he

1645
01:05:16,609 --> 01:05:14,760
provided them to the times but now you

1646
01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:16,619
know they're arguing well Elizondo did

1647
01:05:20,930 --> 01:05:19,859
provide them to ttsa for ttsa to make

1648
01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:20,940
money

1649
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:24,900
I don't know uh you know ttsa was a uh

1650
01:05:29,150 --> 01:05:27,119
public benefit Corporation is what it

1651
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:29,160
was called which is similar to a

1652
01:05:33,710 --> 01:05:32,160
non-profit but not quite but still you

1653
01:05:34,609 --> 01:05:33,720
know it's a it's a

1654
01:05:36,829 --> 01:05:34,619
um

1655
01:05:38,510 --> 01:05:36,839
corporation which has to provide like

1656
01:05:41,210 --> 01:05:38,520
education

1657
01:05:43,609 --> 01:05:41,220
um and things to the public

1658
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:43,619
um and I think that's the intention and

1659
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:46,559
always has been the intention of ttsa I

1660
01:05:50,270 --> 01:05:48,960
don't think PTSA was ever really about

1661
01:05:51,650 --> 01:05:50,280
money

1662
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:51,660
um especially when you're talking about

1663
01:05:56,569 --> 01:05:53,220
the majority of the people who ran

1664
01:05:58,190 --> 01:05:56,579
started ttsa didn't need money I mean

1665
01:06:00,349 --> 01:05:58,200
the two major players were probably Tom

1666
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:00,359
Delong and Chris Mellon and

1667
01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:04,079
um Tom Delong is is doing well uh and

1668
01:06:09,650 --> 01:06:07,980
melon yeah and melon melon family yeah

1669
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:09,660
the melon family is not going to need

1670
01:06:13,549 --> 01:06:11,280
money for a long long time in fact

1671
01:06:17,470 --> 01:06:13,559
they're I think lending money to Nations

1672
01:06:19,490 --> 01:06:17,480
who are needing money so yeah yeah

1673
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:19,500
I'm going to take we're going to take a

1674
01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:20,880
one minute break here I'm going to play

1675
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basically a little commercial here two

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yeah I'm really glad Charles wrote that

1706
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:54,900
that book he's been writing blogs for uh

1707
01:08:00,650 --> 01:07:58,319
for three or four years here and he's

1708
01:08:02,569 --> 01:08:00,660
been really great at it and he does some

1709
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,579
really deep research I saw a couple

1710
01:08:06,289 --> 01:08:04,319
questions in here I don't know if you've

1711
01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:06,299
looked through the chat at all but one

1712
01:08:13,549 --> 01:08:11,750
oh

1713
01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:13,559
um that when we we don't know someone

1714
01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:15,000
wanted to know who the guy was to say

1715
01:08:19,490 --> 01:08:17,219
hey look at the ASA that was a pilot we

1716
01:08:21,530 --> 01:08:19,500
have no idea who that was that would be

1717
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:21,540
really interesting though if we

1718
01:08:25,729 --> 01:08:24,120
eventually got to know who those Pilots

1719
01:08:31,130 --> 01:08:25,739
were

1720
01:08:32,749 --> 01:08:31,140
I don't know how I didn't even see me uh

1721
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:32,759
posting that comment it was that was by

1722
01:08:35,149 --> 01:08:33,839
accident

1723
01:08:37,849 --> 01:08:35,159
um

1724
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:37,859
but we can address that though I would

1725
01:08:42,169 --> 01:08:40,080
like to address that one oh I didn't

1726
01:08:44,030 --> 01:08:42,179
even see it all right what was the

1727
01:08:45,709 --> 01:08:44,040
question yeah

1728
01:08:47,450 --> 01:08:45,719
um he said I think two things can be

1729
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,460
true about Lou he is furthering the

1730
01:08:51,470 --> 01:08:48,960
topic and he's shutting down specific

1731
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:51,480
people for reasons unknown to the public

1732
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,719
I don't agree with the second part

1733
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,640
um not that he's not shutting down

1734
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:57,839
people

1735
01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:00,960
um he is and I think that uh you know I

1736
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,940
don't know Martin's better at staying

1737
01:09:08,329 --> 01:09:05,279
out of the The Fray than I am

1738
01:09:10,970 --> 01:09:08,339
um but still you know I think I I'm

1739
01:09:13,370 --> 01:09:10,980
there a lot less than most and I think

1740
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:13,380
that Elizondo needs to learn to and he

1741
01:09:16,729 --> 01:09:14,880
has now because he's gotten off of

1742
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,739
social media unfortunately he's not

1743
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:18,960
doing any more podcasts right now

1744
01:09:23,630 --> 01:09:21,120
um because he's just had enough but he

1745
01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:23,640
he you know and I've talked to him a lot

1746
01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:26,279
about this it's hard for him and it's

1747
01:09:29,630 --> 01:09:27,960
it's just like with celebrities you know

1748
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:29,640
they get beat up on social media and

1749
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:32,640
they get really it has an emotional uh

1750
01:09:36,769 --> 01:09:34,920
effect on them and it's it's had an

1751
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:36,779
effect on him and it and it really

1752
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:38,940
frustrates him and hurts him

1753
01:09:43,849 --> 01:09:41,520
um and he doesn't totally understand it

1754
01:09:46,010 --> 01:09:43,859
um even some of these people that are

1755
01:09:47,630 --> 01:09:46,020
good researchers like Greenwald I think

1756
01:09:50,269 --> 01:09:47,640
he acknowledges greenwald's a great

1757
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,279
researcher but I think you know his what

1758
01:09:56,030 --> 01:09:52,319
he feels is he doesn't understand is how

1759
01:09:57,709 --> 01:09:56,040
being immensely he's attacked and he

1760
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,719
feels that you know he's negatively

1761
01:10:01,850 --> 01:10:00,000
attacked as opposed to people just kind

1762
01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:01,860
of trying to genuinely ask questions

1763
01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:04,260
because he's I think in his mind and I

1764
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,820
believe him coming from a place where he

1765
01:10:09,290 --> 01:10:07,199
wants to help

1766
01:10:12,530 --> 01:10:09,300
um so he he's really frustrated by all

1767
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,540
of that so I the people he is canceling

1768
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:14,640
are shutting down I don't think it's a

1769
01:10:19,130 --> 01:10:17,520
mystery at all uh of why he's doing that

1770
01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:19,140
to to these people he's doing it too

1771
01:10:24,169 --> 01:10:20,520
because they're typically people that

1772
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:24,179
have been uh very negative towards him

1773
01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:25,920
um perhaps a better way to address that

1774
01:10:31,790 --> 01:10:28,140
is to ignore them or to address them

1775
01:10:34,370 --> 01:10:31,800
directly uh but um you know I think

1776
01:10:36,350 --> 01:10:34,380
people cannot understand if people are

1777
01:10:38,270 --> 01:10:36,360
attacking you and calling you a liar

1778
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:38,280
you'd be frustrated especially if you're

1779
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,540
doing your best to to help yeah well uh

1780
01:10:47,209 --> 01:10:45,120
Leslie Kane said last week that that

1781
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:47,219
hearing probably wouldn't have happened

1782
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:49,199
in Washington if it wasn't for him and

1783
01:10:55,790 --> 01:10:53,040
Chris melon exactly exactly we we

1784
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:55,800
wouldn't be where we are without Chris's

1785
01:11:01,250 --> 01:10:59,760
game plan and lose uh participation in

1786
01:11:02,030 --> 01:11:01,260
that plan

1787
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,040
um

1788
01:11:08,750 --> 01:11:04,560
I mean him coming out

1789
01:11:12,410 --> 01:11:08,760
and you know retiring

1790
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:12,420
putting his career and his you know

1791
01:11:15,950 --> 01:11:13,199
um

1792
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:15,960
livelihood on the line to come out for

1793
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:18,000
this topic and to push it forward and

1794
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,679
he's still doing that he's still putting

1795
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:21,840
his career in his livelihood on the line

1796
01:11:29,090 --> 01:11:25,199
every day that he's sticking to you know

1797
01:11:31,070 --> 01:11:29,100
being this kind of UAP activist and um I

1798
01:11:33,649 --> 01:11:31,080
don't think anybody can argue that he's

1799
01:11:35,870 --> 01:11:33,659
not one of if not the most influential

1800
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:35,880
person right now you know pushing all

1801
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:37,040
this forward

1802
01:11:40,430 --> 01:11:39,300
he certainly had a lot of high demand

1803
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:40,440
after the hearing and we're going to

1804
01:11:45,229 --> 01:11:43,199
talk about that in a little bit right

1805
01:11:46,970 --> 01:11:45,239
here is another question going back to

1806
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:46,980
the Wilson document do you think they

1807
01:11:50,570 --> 01:11:48,900
will follow up on the Wilson document

1808
01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:50,580
and speak to its validity in the next

1809
01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:53,580
public hearing or will it stay in the

1810
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:56,580
Sci-Fi level in your opinion I think at

1811
01:12:02,689 --> 01:12:00,000
skiff level meaning uh classified level

1812
01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:02,699
I don't think so I think yes sorry my

1813
01:12:05,810 --> 01:12:03,960
guess is going to be they're going to

1814
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,820
come out and say we asked uh Wilson

1815
01:12:10,669 --> 01:12:07,679
about it he said there was nothing to it

1816
01:12:12,410 --> 01:12:10,679
we couldn't find anything more uh and

1817
01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:12,420
they'll move on I think they'll debunk

1818
01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:13,860
it and move on

1819
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,020
um I just don't see there's nothing

1820
01:12:20,270 --> 01:12:18,239
actionable there you know if you use

1821
01:12:22,850 --> 01:12:20,280
that term I mean I would just challenge

1822
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:22,860
people to read that document but from

1823
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:24,600
this perspective not whether you think

1824
01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:28,080
it's real or not but if you were

1825
01:12:31,010 --> 01:12:29,100
um you know

1826
01:12:33,470 --> 01:12:31,020
let's say

1827
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:33,480
a government employee and you're like

1828
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,199
wow I just got this Intel how do I act

1829
01:12:40,850 --> 01:12:39,120
on it I think that you'd find that

1830
01:12:43,250 --> 01:12:40,860
there's not much to act on there's not

1831
01:12:46,189 --> 01:12:43,260
much you can do if at the very first

1832
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:46,199
level you're getting shut down there's

1833
01:12:51,290 --> 01:12:48,420
there's not much more you can do and

1834
01:12:53,209 --> 01:12:51,300
I've always said this this document and

1835
01:12:54,770 --> 01:12:53,219
it's a very

1836
01:12:56,689 --> 01:12:54,780
I don't want to offend anybody but I

1837
01:12:58,729 --> 01:12:56,699
really feel it's a very amateurish way

1838
01:13:01,610 --> 01:12:58,739
to go about

1839
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:01,620
um trying to make anything of what the

1840
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:04,320
document says the document itself even

1841
01:13:10,189 --> 01:13:06,960
if you believe it to be real is not a

1842
01:13:12,169 --> 01:13:10,199
Smoking Gun by any means it's it's just

1843
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:12,179
a tool to point you in the right

1844
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:14,880
direction on where to hopefully look and

1845
01:13:18,530 --> 01:13:17,040
find those smoking guns

1846
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:18,540
um and that's what people need to do

1847
01:13:23,630 --> 01:13:21,840
it's lazy and it's ineffective just to

1848
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:23,640
throw it out there and say look here you

1849
01:13:28,729 --> 01:13:26,640
go this solves everything and I think

1850
01:13:29,930 --> 01:13:28,739
that it's just another example of the

1851
01:13:32,209 --> 01:13:29,940
amateurish

1852
01:13:35,090 --> 01:13:32,219
uh

1853
01:13:37,250 --> 01:13:35,100
and I would say it can be spun a silly

1854
01:13:38,450 --> 01:13:37,260
way you follow just go about this and I

1855
01:13:40,490 --> 01:13:38,460
think that's what's going to happen I

1856
01:13:43,550 --> 01:13:40,500
think it's going to be used as yet

1857
01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:43,560
another example of how

1858
01:13:47,689 --> 01:13:45,480
um DFO communities silly and shouldn't

1859
01:13:50,450 --> 01:13:47,699
be listened to I mean that's what we had

1860
01:13:53,090 --> 01:13:50,460
in the first hearing when they invoke

1861
01:13:55,729 --> 01:13:53,100
Jeremy corbell's name at the beginning

1862
01:13:57,950 --> 01:13:55,739
of the hearing and then they show the

1863
01:14:01,250 --> 01:13:57,960
video that he has been pushing as a UAP

1864
01:14:04,010 --> 01:14:01,260
a genuine UAP and debunk it you know

1865
01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:04,020
that was uh everything they do is in is

1866
01:14:10,010 --> 01:14:07,020
for a reason and they did that to poo

1867
01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:10,020
poo Jeremy Corbell and his followers and

1868
01:14:15,229 --> 01:14:12,360
the people like him that's because there

1869
01:14:17,209 --> 01:14:15,239
were drones and that was the the right

1870
01:14:19,310 --> 01:14:17,219
is that the one yeah they were drones

1871
01:14:22,430 --> 01:14:19,320
they were yep so they were drones and

1872
01:14:24,770 --> 01:14:22,440
that was uh the lens in the uh in the

1873
01:14:26,330 --> 01:14:24,780
night camera yeah and a lot of us myself

1874
01:14:27,950 --> 01:14:26,340
I never spoke to it because I didn't

1875
01:14:30,250 --> 01:14:27,960
feel it was a very good video at all I

1876
01:14:34,130 --> 01:14:30,260
felt it obviously was was

1877
01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:34,140
not a UAP because

1878
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:36,300
um every point of light is triangle

1879
01:14:40,729 --> 01:14:37,280
shaped

1880
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:40,739
and some of those are stars so that

1881
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:43,199
means it's an effect of the camera

1882
01:14:46,010 --> 01:14:44,400
um you know and those of us who have

1883
01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:46,020
been looking at these videos for decades

1884
01:14:49,850 --> 01:14:47,580
and I'm not an expert I don't call

1885
01:14:51,470 --> 01:14:49,860
myself an expert but you know I can at

1886
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,480
least pick up on that having looked at

1887
01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:54,000
these videos for so many years I can

1888
01:14:58,189 --> 01:14:55,560
pick up what are the obvious you know

1889
01:15:00,350 --> 01:14:58,199
kind of tips as to whether this video

1890
01:15:03,050 --> 01:15:00,360
should be looked into further or not I

1891
01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:03,060
didn't feel that video deserved it

1892
01:15:05,630 --> 01:15:04,020
um

1893
01:15:07,070 --> 01:15:05,640
but that's what they did with that

1894
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:07,080
that's why they brought that up and

1895
01:15:11,209 --> 01:15:09,000
that's why that was an issue what else

1896
01:15:13,729 --> 01:15:11,219
did they do they said this is what it's

1897
01:15:15,890 --> 01:15:13,739
like when we get a real video they were

1898
01:15:18,350 --> 01:15:15,900
trying to say there's very little data

1899
01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:18,360
oh yes to sure showed that and they

1900
01:15:22,250 --> 01:15:20,280
showed that terrible video where there's

1901
01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:22,260
just one screen they have to have better

1902
01:15:25,729 --> 01:15:24,120
stuff than that oh they've definitely

1903
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:25,739
got better stuff but why would they show

1904
01:15:31,790 --> 01:15:28,800
this one to because like they said this

1905
01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:31,800
is the type of stuff we have so that

1906
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,880
video can easily be passed off as air

1907
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:37,920
clutter you know this term that they

1908
01:15:42,050 --> 01:15:39,840
were using and I think that's their

1909
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:42,060
strategy still I think that's what the

1910
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:43,920
take is where everybody's a little off

1911
01:15:49,850 --> 01:15:46,320
on the hearings the hearings were not

1912
01:15:52,270 --> 01:15:49,860
about what was said in the hearings what

1913
01:15:54,649 --> 01:15:52,280
do the hearings

1914
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:54,659
Effectiveness and what went on with the

1915
01:16:02,090 --> 01:15:59,040
hearings all went on back backstage it

1916
01:16:05,330 --> 01:16:02,100
all went on in the public side but you

1917
01:16:08,330 --> 01:16:05,340
know the hearings were a tool to get the

1918
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,340
dod to do what Congress wanted and it

1919
01:16:12,169 --> 01:16:10,560
worked that's why the hearings went the

1920
01:16:15,470 --> 01:16:12,179
way they were

1921
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,480
um they essentially if you look at the

1922
01:16:19,729 --> 01:16:17,520
history you have John Kirby a couple

1923
01:16:21,290 --> 01:16:19,739
weeks coming out ago saying that you

1924
01:16:24,290 --> 01:16:21,300
know we're doing what they want we're

1925
01:16:26,990 --> 01:16:24,300
coalescing the reports and we're getting

1926
01:16:29,930 --> 01:16:27,000
all the agencies invested

1927
01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:29,940
um and you know we're moving forward on

1928
01:16:35,630 --> 01:16:32,699
this that's burned you know Brian Bender

1929
01:16:37,550 --> 01:16:35,640
to write that article in Politico where

1930
01:16:39,410 --> 01:16:37,560
essentially the Congress people were

1931
01:16:41,570 --> 01:16:39,420
like that's not what we asked you to do

1932
01:16:43,550 --> 01:16:41,580
and that's not enough people like

1933
01:16:46,130 --> 01:16:43,560
gillibrand is saying we're asking you to

1934
01:16:49,310 --> 01:16:46,140
collect reports and to investigate these

1935
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:49,320
reports you know not just collect them

1936
01:16:52,850 --> 01:16:50,640
we want you to scientifically

1937
01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:52,860
investigate these reports and she said

1938
01:16:57,169 --> 01:16:54,420
we want you to look at historical

1939
01:16:59,450 --> 01:16:57,179
information as well yeah so she was

1940
01:17:01,010 --> 01:16:59,460
telling him a whole set of things that

1941
01:17:03,290 --> 01:17:01,020
were in that bill that they want that

1942
01:17:04,910 --> 01:17:03,300
pass that they wanted them to do so as

1943
01:17:06,350 --> 01:17:04,920
soon as that article came out and then

1944
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,360
they announced that the hearings were

1945
01:17:10,490 --> 01:17:08,640
coming uh you know a couple days before

1946
01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:10,500
the hearings John Kirby comes out and

1947
01:17:14,570 --> 01:17:12,600
says we're going to do everything that

1948
01:17:17,689 --> 01:17:14,580
she wants us to do or they want us to do

1949
01:17:20,030 --> 01:17:17,699
we're going to do investigations so they

1950
01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:20,040
they change their tune so essentially

1951
01:17:24,050 --> 01:17:22,020
right there they disarmed the Congress

1952
01:17:26,270 --> 01:17:24,060
because the Congress the point of the

1953
01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:26,280
hearings was to come at them and

1954
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:27,960
publicly kind of grieve their their

1955
01:17:31,310 --> 01:17:29,940
issues hey we asked you to do all of

1956
01:17:34,010 --> 01:17:31,320
this but you're saying you're only going

1957
01:17:35,630 --> 01:17:34,020
to do that well right up front they were

1958
01:17:37,610 --> 01:17:35,640
like okay you win we'll do everything

1959
01:17:39,229 --> 01:17:37,620
you want so the hearings were really

1960
01:17:40,910 --> 01:17:39,239
friendly and nice because the hearings

1961
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,920
were like okay here's what we're going

1962
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:42,239
to do we're going to do everything you

1963
01:17:46,090 --> 01:17:43,920
want this is going to be great we're

1964
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:46,100
going to do this we're going to do that

1965
01:17:50,209 --> 01:17:48,239
Elizondo makes the point that well they

1966
01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:50,219
only have two people how are they going

1967
01:17:53,450 --> 01:17:51,719
to do all this stuff with two people I

1968
01:17:56,270 --> 01:17:53,460
mean they must have horse issue they

1969
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,280
must have uh staff as well wouldn't you

1970
01:18:00,830 --> 01:17:59,040
think exactly well they don't but

1971
01:18:02,689 --> 01:18:00,840
they're going to need it and we don't

1972
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,699
know what their budget is like but you

1973
01:18:06,290 --> 01:18:04,320
know Alexander is making the point uh

1974
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,300
the UAP task force only had two people

1975
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:08,400
if this new group is only going to have

1976
01:18:11,209 --> 01:18:09,840
two people it's not going to be able to

1977
01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:11,219
do that long list of things they're

1978
01:18:14,750 --> 01:18:13,260
going to say they're going to do so how

1979
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:14,760
are they going to accomplish those

1980
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:16,440
things and those are the type of

1981
01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:17,760
questions do you think needs to happen

1982
01:18:22,610 --> 01:18:20,820
is this like window dressing you know I

1983
01:18:25,070 --> 01:18:22,620
mean do you think well I think that's

1984
01:18:27,410 --> 01:18:25,080
what the Gia is trying to do so the DIA

1985
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:27,420
is still trying to say okay we're gonna

1986
01:18:31,729 --> 01:18:30,239
do everything you want us to do we don't

1987
01:18:34,250 --> 01:18:31,739
think we're going to find much but we'll

1988
01:18:37,010 --> 01:18:34,260
do it but they're still I think trying

1989
01:18:38,570 --> 01:18:37,020
to de-escalate the whole situation and

1990
01:18:40,209 --> 01:18:38,580
they're dragging their feet because I

1991
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,219
think what they think

1992
01:18:44,930 --> 01:18:42,719
historically these sort of things have

1993
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:44,940
been flashed in the pan the public is

1994
01:18:48,830 --> 01:18:46,560
really interested in the topic for a

1995
01:18:50,750 --> 01:18:48,840
period of time but then that topic just

1996
01:18:53,149 --> 01:18:50,760
like on everything you know plummets

1997
01:18:55,310 --> 01:18:53,159
after a period of time and then they'll

1998
01:18:57,890 --> 01:18:55,320
be off their back so they're on our back

1999
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:57,900
right now but they'll forget about this

2000
01:19:01,570 --> 01:19:00,000
and they'll leave us alone shortly I

2001
01:19:04,010 --> 01:19:01,580
think that's what the point being yeah

2002
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:04,020
exactly they have a great point so if if

2003
01:19:07,790 --> 01:19:06,000
you were them and you wanted this monkey

2004
01:19:09,890 --> 01:19:07,800
off the back you could see how this is a

2005
01:19:12,890 --> 01:19:09,900
good strategy and it's a strategy that

2006
01:19:15,169 --> 01:19:12,900
may work it's just up to us to try to

2007
01:19:17,810 --> 01:19:15,179
help keep this momentum going to educate

2008
01:19:20,450 --> 01:19:17,820
lawmakers and people in the task force

2009
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:20,460
because there are people like elizondo's

2010
01:19:24,830 --> 01:19:23,040
colleagues who are in these task forces

2011
01:19:26,990 --> 01:19:24,840
and they're into this topic big time

2012
01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:27,000
they're trying to educate themselves now

2013
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:29,400
a lot of these Anonymous people that

2014
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:30,960
we'll find in our Twitter are actually

2015
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:32,880
people that are in the inside trying to

2016
01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:35,760
get information and so we have to inform

2017
01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:37,620
people and this is where I get really

2018
01:19:41,630 --> 01:19:39,780
disappointed with the UFO Community kind

2019
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:41,640
of doubling down on the crazy and not

2020
01:19:45,169 --> 01:19:43,199
really paying attention to what matters

2021
01:19:47,630 --> 01:19:45,179
the stupid Wilson documents or anything

2022
01:19:49,370 --> 01:19:47,640
like that the Wilson documents cannot

2023
01:19:51,709 --> 01:19:49,380
help us they can you know if they

2024
01:19:53,630 --> 01:19:51,719
continue to just make fun of us and

2025
01:19:55,850 --> 01:19:53,640
debunk everything that's just going to

2026
01:19:58,010 --> 01:19:55,860
show the public yeah these UFO guys

2027
01:20:00,290 --> 01:19:58,020
never did really have ever anything you

2028
01:20:02,570 --> 01:20:00,300
know the dod's right so what we have to

2029
01:20:04,669 --> 01:20:02,580
do is be more careful about this go back

2030
01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:04,679
to the basics and we have to be

2031
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:07,860
proactive and friendly we have to you

2032
01:20:12,649 --> 01:20:10,800
know contact our our officials and

2033
01:20:14,930 --> 01:20:12,659
people in the government and be helpful

2034
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:14,940
say we want to help you we want to

2035
01:20:18,590 --> 01:20:16,560
provide you information here's some

2036
01:20:20,330 --> 01:20:18,600
information look at this look at that

2037
01:20:22,010 --> 01:20:20,340
you know that's what's going to be more

2038
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:22,020
effective is calling them and saying

2039
01:20:26,030 --> 01:20:24,000
thank you for looking into this that's

2040
01:20:27,649 --> 01:20:26,040
going to go much further than just

2041
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:27,659
acting crazy because just ask acting

2042
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:29,840
crazy is going to

2043
01:20:34,910 --> 01:20:32,880
make this all go away more quickly and

2044
01:20:37,610 --> 01:20:34,920
it'll serve the the people who want it

2045
01:20:40,129 --> 01:20:37,620
to go away exactly hang on just a second

2046
01:20:43,129 --> 01:20:40,139
I do have to address this uh Mario Woods

2047
01:20:46,010 --> 01:20:43,139
was going to be on this week and uh but

2048
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,020
he's had some health issues so uh that's

2049
01:20:51,890 --> 01:20:48,320
when I called my good buddy Alejandro

2050
01:20:53,870 --> 01:20:51,900
Rojas so he hopefully he'll be back uh

2051
01:20:56,270 --> 01:20:53,880
he'll be on the show on the 21st we'll

2052
01:21:00,110 --> 01:20:56,280
see if he's in good shape by then

2053
01:21:02,750 --> 01:21:00,120
uh but oh you know so when you're you're

2054
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:02,760
talking about how

2055
01:21:08,090 --> 01:21:05,280
all of this goes

2056
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:08,100
um you know it's just it really is kind

2057
01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:13,920
of uh amazing though how

2058
01:21:18,890 --> 01:21:15,679
um

2059
01:21:20,030 --> 01:21:18,900
so few people knew that this hearing

2060
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,040
happened

2061
01:21:23,570 --> 01:21:21,840
I don't know if you I mean in the public

2062
01:21:26,570 --> 01:21:23,580
you know a lot of people I've talked to

2063
01:21:28,189 --> 01:21:26,580
out and about hey did you hear you know

2064
01:21:31,310 --> 01:21:28,199
about the hearing the public hearing and

2065
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:31,320
the what no uh you know it's it's there

2066
01:21:35,149 --> 01:21:32,520
are a few people I've talked to that

2067
01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:35,159
have heard it but but it's a lot less

2068
01:21:40,129 --> 01:21:36,780
than I was hoping it seems like the

2069
01:21:42,590 --> 01:21:40,139
mainstream media didn't do much uh have

2070
01:21:44,750 --> 01:21:42,600
much of a job with it and if I was

2071
01:21:46,669 --> 01:21:44,760
involved in the Main Street stream media

2072
01:21:50,090 --> 01:21:46,679
I would think the government is doing a

2073
01:21:52,729 --> 01:21:50,100
hearing on UFOs that's big it seems but

2074
01:21:55,729 --> 01:21:52,739
they did do a lot I think every major

2075
01:21:58,990 --> 01:21:55,739
Outlet had a story or two

2076
01:22:03,229 --> 01:21:59,000
um CNN I had at least two I can think of

2077
01:22:05,810 --> 01:22:03,239
New York Times had one at least

2078
01:22:08,689 --> 01:22:05,820
um the hill has had one and then also

2079
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:08,699
posted an opinion piece from Chris uh

2080
01:22:13,010 --> 01:22:11,100
melon today so I I don't think it's the

2081
01:22:16,430 --> 01:22:13,020
media's fault it's the public interest

2082
01:22:19,490 --> 01:22:16,440
and I think that's what you know we need

2083
01:22:22,129 --> 01:22:19,500
to be grounded on a little bit here too

2084
01:22:25,070 --> 01:22:22,139
um you know I just posted today how BTS

2085
01:22:29,330 --> 01:22:25,080
was uh that that Korean pop group was at

2086
01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:29,340
the Washington uh in DC uh during the

2087
01:22:34,010 --> 01:22:31,380
press conference this morning and it was

2088
01:22:37,129 --> 01:22:34,020
the most full that that pest conference

2089
01:22:38,930 --> 01:22:37,139
room has ever been they said so that's

2090
01:22:40,729 --> 01:22:38,940
what the public is interested in and

2091
01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:40,739
that's what we have to consider is what

2092
01:22:45,709 --> 01:22:43,260
the public interest is and where there

2093
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:45,719
is interest in how much that interest is

2094
01:22:49,850 --> 01:22:47,760
because you know there's a big interest

2095
01:22:52,910 --> 01:22:49,860
in the UAP topic

2096
01:22:56,209 --> 01:22:52,920
um but I think only I'm finding a small

2097
01:23:00,770 --> 01:22:56,219
percentage maybe 10 to 20 percent if not

2098
01:23:03,290 --> 01:23:00,780
less are into factual data and about

2099
01:23:06,050 --> 01:23:03,300
this topic most people are really into

2100
01:23:09,530 --> 01:23:06,060
The Sensational and the possibility and

2101
01:23:11,149 --> 01:23:09,540
the imagination partially because I

2102
01:23:14,270 --> 01:23:11,159
don't think that our field has done a

2103
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,280
great job you know sharing facts uh it's

2104
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:16,320
been mostly speculation and of course

2105
01:23:20,570 --> 01:23:18,719
the entertainment picks up the picks it

2106
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:20,580
up and then they do all the speculation

2107
01:23:25,550 --> 01:23:23,040
the television shows right now are for

2108
01:23:28,250 --> 01:23:25,560
the most part awful they're terrible

2109
01:23:30,530 --> 01:23:28,260
they're they're just really they're not

2110
01:23:32,330 --> 01:23:30,540
on par with the truth at all and I get

2111
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:32,340
calls from these producers all the time

2112
01:23:36,110 --> 01:23:34,320
and they never want to stick with the

2113
01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:36,120
facts they could care less about the

2114
01:23:41,090 --> 01:23:38,760
facts I've been on I've been interviewed

2115
01:23:43,070 --> 01:23:41,100
I'm going to be kind of begging on these

2116
01:23:44,930 --> 01:23:43,080
guys but it's true I've been interviewed

2117
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:44,940
maybe two or three times by Ancient

2118
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:47,520
Aliens and my Clips only make a few

2119
01:23:51,649 --> 01:23:49,679
seconds why because I'm typically

2120
01:23:53,570 --> 01:23:51,659
debunking the stuff and offering you

2121
01:23:55,790 --> 01:23:53,580
know information that is countered to

2122
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:55,800
the kind of exciting story

2123
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:57,360
um so like Stephen here is saying most

2124
01:24:02,330 --> 01:23:59,280
people are into the folklore she's

2125
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:02,340
exactly correct and and in a way it's a

2126
01:24:06,169 --> 01:24:04,080
little bit not their fault in that some

2127
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:06,179
of these mythologies out there

2128
01:24:11,229 --> 01:24:07,920
um that are really big you really gotta

2129
01:24:13,729 --> 01:24:11,239
dig to be able to figure out the root of

2130
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,739
those stories and unfortunately many

2131
01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:15,840
times they're they're spurious as we

2132
01:24:20,450 --> 01:24:18,420
know or very dubious so

2133
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:20,460
um it's tough out there so I always

2134
01:24:25,129 --> 01:24:22,560
think you know of who our audience is

2135
01:24:28,490 --> 01:24:25,139
and for at least the SCU and I think

2136
01:24:31,070 --> 01:24:28,500
very much so I found for my show and I

2137
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:31,080
think yours are the mainstream are the

2138
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:33,420
serious people because I found

2139
01:24:37,370 --> 01:24:35,520
um you know lately that a lot of these

2140
01:24:40,189 --> 01:24:37,380
military people these task force people

2141
01:24:42,290 --> 01:24:40,199
uh media people who are trying to figure

2142
01:24:44,330 --> 01:24:42,300
out what's going on they were listening

2143
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,340
to my podcasts and they were reading my

2144
01:24:49,610 --> 01:24:46,080
website and they're also I think

2145
01:24:51,410 --> 01:24:49,620
listening to your podcast and so they're

2146
01:24:54,530 --> 01:24:51,420
they're listening to those few Outlets

2147
01:24:56,090 --> 01:24:54,540
that do try to stick to the facts and

2148
01:24:59,810 --> 01:24:56,100
you know those type of people very

2149
01:25:02,510 --> 01:24:59,820
quickly can identify the speculation

2150
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,520
um and so first of all welcome to all of

2151
01:25:08,510 --> 01:25:04,880
you new people who are looking for more

2152
01:25:09,890 --> 01:25:08,520
careful information but uh yeah

2153
01:25:12,169 --> 01:25:09,900
you know yeah that's right and that's

2154
01:25:14,450 --> 01:25:12,179
what we have to remember there are there

2155
01:25:16,910 --> 01:25:14,460
are new people all the time I get

2156
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:16,920
contacted all the time on the show by

2157
01:25:22,669 --> 01:25:19,199
people that are just starting to look

2158
01:25:25,250 --> 01:25:22,679
into the topic which I think is great so

2159
01:25:27,950 --> 01:25:25,260
um the presenters well I don't want to

2160
01:25:31,129 --> 01:25:27,960
skip around too much right here okay but

2161
01:25:32,810 --> 01:25:31,139
I uh but I do I do want to take a little

2162
01:25:33,950 --> 01:25:32,820
bit of a break because I do want to talk

2163
01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:33,960
about

2164
01:25:39,169 --> 01:25:36,239
um something that you text me on the

2165
01:25:41,450 --> 01:25:39,179
other night and uh whoops

2166
01:25:43,129 --> 01:25:41,460
let's see let me get that up here

2167
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:43,139
and

2168
01:25:52,129 --> 01:25:48,960
right here

2169
01:25:54,830 --> 01:25:52,139
uh this came out and I'm telling you

2170
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:54,840
it's uh I've been getting a lot of

2171
01:25:58,970 --> 01:25:57,840
feedback about the the new film that it

2172
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:58,980
has dropped

2173
01:26:02,990 --> 01:26:01,199
um a few weeks ago so many people

2174
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:03,000
absolutely love this

2175
01:26:09,470 --> 01:26:05,760
this story and I just got contacted uh

2176
01:26:12,169 --> 01:26:09,480
today from uh uh or yesterday I think it

2177
01:26:14,030 --> 01:26:12,179
was from Deb Coyle she is the woman that

2178
01:26:17,450 --> 01:26:14,040
was on the show that had a South African

2179
01:26:20,270 --> 01:26:17,460
encounter herself back in the 1970s and

2180
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:20,280
she is uh she rented it she's going to

2181
01:26:24,890 --> 01:26:22,260
sit down with her husband and watch it

2182
01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:24,900
um but it really means a lot to a lot of

2183
01:26:33,050 --> 01:26:28,860
people because of the way Randall did

2184
01:26:35,629 --> 01:26:33,060
this movie he did he did it about people

2185
01:26:37,490 --> 01:26:35,639
and I think it's very good it was very

2186
01:26:39,649 --> 01:26:37,500
good

2187
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:39,659
I can't speak highly enough about the

2188
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:41,760
movie and it kind of goes back to and

2189
01:26:46,610 --> 01:26:43,920
this is Ariel phenomena

2190
01:26:48,169 --> 01:26:46,620
um and it kind of goes back to

2191
01:26:51,169 --> 01:26:48,179
um the question earlier where people

2192
01:26:53,570 --> 01:26:51,179
complaining about spending money and the

2193
01:26:55,970 --> 01:26:53,580
rental fee for this video is expensive

2194
01:26:59,450 --> 01:26:55,980
it's twenty dollars but I'm telling you

2195
01:27:01,550 --> 01:26:59,460
people do it don't complain do it this

2196
01:27:03,470 --> 01:27:01,560
is one of those things where don't

2197
01:27:06,050 --> 01:27:03,480
complain about a twenty dollar rental

2198
01:27:09,410 --> 01:27:06,060
for a film that is important as this and

2199
01:27:11,209 --> 01:27:09,420
not only that they wanted to release it

2200
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:11,219
um through like Netflix or one of those

2201
01:27:16,729 --> 01:27:14,520
bigger outlets and they couldn't like at

2202
01:27:18,649 --> 01:27:16,739
the last minute that fell through and

2203
01:27:20,209 --> 01:27:18,659
then they looked at their original edit

2204
01:27:21,470 --> 01:27:20,219
they edit they did themselves and

2205
01:27:23,149 --> 01:27:21,480
they're like you know what this is too

2206
01:27:24,830 --> 01:27:23,159
good we don't want to edit it because

2207
01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:24,840
they had to highly edit it to get it

2208
01:27:27,890 --> 01:27:26,280
through this mainstream distributor

2209
01:27:29,689 --> 01:27:27,900
they're like we don't want to edit it

2210
01:27:32,149 --> 01:27:29,699
it's good as it is so they decided to

2211
01:27:34,910 --> 01:27:32,159
distribute themselves so they're doing

2212
01:27:37,070 --> 01:27:34,920
this all on their own risking you know

2213
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:37,080
not getting money back if you look at

2214
01:27:41,810 --> 01:27:39,120
this this movie took something like I

2215
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:41,820
think I met Randy 13 years ago and he

2216
01:27:45,410 --> 01:27:43,679
first got me excited about this movie 13

2217
01:27:48,410 --> 01:27:45,420
and a half years he had into the movie

2218
01:27:50,510 --> 01:27:48,420
I've been so flipping excited and we all

2219
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:50,520
have been waiting for this film forever

2220
01:27:54,250 --> 01:27:53,280
that I started to think it'll never come

2221
01:27:56,330 --> 01:27:54,260
out

2222
01:27:57,229 --> 01:27:56,340
it's probably going to be a mess because

2223
01:27:59,330 --> 01:27:57,239
they're going to have to throw it

2224
01:28:01,490 --> 01:27:59,340
together but when you see the list of

2225
01:28:04,490 --> 01:28:01,500
donors just tons that list goes on

2226
01:28:06,050 --> 01:28:04,500
forever at the last of the film that's

2227
01:28:08,209 --> 01:28:06,060
what he had to do is go out there and

2228
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:08,219
get money from people I mean you can't

2229
01:28:14,030 --> 01:28:11,760
share information and a big platform

2230
01:28:16,189 --> 01:28:14,040
without money so

2231
01:28:18,830 --> 01:28:16,199
um it's worth the twenty dollars please

2232
01:28:21,410 --> 01:28:18,840
go spend the twenty dollars they deserve

2233
01:28:24,649 --> 01:28:21,420
it the film is

2234
01:28:28,250 --> 01:28:24,659
I was floored from beginning to end and

2235
01:28:30,290 --> 01:28:28,260
it was first of all the subject is a

2236
01:28:32,930 --> 01:28:30,300
really important topic I mean the case

2237
01:28:36,169 --> 01:28:32,940
is is a great case

2238
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:36,179
um but the filmmaking is superb the

2239
01:28:41,629 --> 01:28:38,880
filmmaking is just excellent no matter

2240
01:28:45,050 --> 01:28:41,639
the topic so not only is the filmmaking

2241
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:45,060
it's it's in it really pulls you in to

2242
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,000
the emotion you really get a strong

2243
01:28:53,570 --> 01:28:50,400
feeling of the people involved because

2244
01:28:55,729 --> 01:28:53,580
they do it's such a human film yes it is

2245
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:55,739
which makes sense because Randy's like a

2246
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,840
big teddy bear he's a big kind of

2247
01:29:02,570 --> 01:29:00,000
emotional person yes

2248
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,580
um and it's just beautiful it's

2249
01:29:06,770 --> 01:29:04,560
absolutely beautiful I cannot say enough

2250
01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:06,780
for the movie you must go see it you

2251
01:29:11,870 --> 01:29:08,760
must support it and it's the right movie

2252
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:11,880
at the right time because it is aliens

2253
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:15,120
kind of you know yeah I know yeah it's

2254
01:29:22,129 --> 01:29:18,719
not where you go typically but it's um

2255
01:29:25,070 --> 01:29:22,139
uh it it does it in a credible way and

2256
01:29:27,770 --> 01:29:25,080
you know it opens up you know now that

2257
01:29:29,149 --> 01:29:27,780
we know UFOs are real

2258
01:29:30,890 --> 01:29:29,159
um there's some

2259
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:30,900
other things that we've got to consider

2260
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:33,840
here that are that are pretty uh heavy

2261
01:29:38,510 --> 01:29:36,000
and that's I think what this introduces

2262
01:29:40,370 --> 01:29:38,520
so I think it's a it's just a beautiful

2263
01:29:43,310 --> 01:29:40,380
film whether or not you even believe

2264
01:29:45,530 --> 01:29:43,320
that aliens were involved at all or that

2265
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,540
it was mistaken identity I think you

2266
01:29:50,149 --> 01:29:47,520
can't help but uh fall in love with all

2267
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:50,159
the characters and then it's the best

2268
01:29:53,810 --> 01:29:51,360
coverage

2269
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:53,820
of John Mack's life and career that I've

2270
01:29:57,890 --> 01:29:55,440
ever seen yes

2271
01:30:00,350 --> 01:29:57,900
um yeah it's so good it really is and

2272
01:30:02,810 --> 01:30:00,360
that's really when I saw that those

2273
01:30:05,810 --> 01:30:02,820
those films used to be on YouTube and

2274
01:30:07,970 --> 01:30:05,820
there's they disappeared and oh really

2275
01:30:10,729 --> 01:30:07,980
yeah I had not been able to find them

2276
01:30:13,850 --> 01:30:10,739
and so but I mean it was very

2277
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:13,860
comprehensive uh in the amount of the

2278
01:30:18,410 --> 01:30:16,080
interviews that he had on there it was

2279
01:30:21,890 --> 01:30:18,420
just really really wonderful and you

2280
01:30:25,550 --> 01:30:21,900
know Randall Nickerson is highly in debt

2281
01:30:29,050 --> 01:30:25,560
on making this movie highly in debt yes

2282
01:30:31,070 --> 01:30:29,060
so give them forty dollars yeah

2283
01:30:33,890 --> 01:30:31,080
it would take them a lot a lot of years

2284
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:33,900
to pull out of it so but he he did it he

2285
01:30:38,450 --> 01:30:35,760
once he got involved in it you know his

2286
01:30:41,090 --> 01:30:38,460
if anyone takes a look at his Wildlife

2287
01:30:43,250 --> 01:30:41,100
photography online it's amazing I mean

2288
01:30:45,950 --> 01:30:43,260
he is just that he's so fussy about

2289
01:30:48,350 --> 01:30:45,960
everything he does and uh all b-roll

2290
01:30:49,970 --> 01:30:48,360
with the elephants and the wildlife all

2291
01:30:52,450 --> 01:30:49,980
through the movie and you really get a

2292
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:52,460
sense that you're there and

2293
01:30:58,669 --> 01:30:55,920
it's just beautiful yeah right so anyway

2294
01:31:01,250 --> 01:30:58,679
I hope some people will uh spend a

2295
01:31:04,370 --> 01:31:01,260
little bit of money on that and you're

2296
01:31:06,169 --> 01:31:04,380
going to really be happy that you did so

2297
01:31:08,209 --> 01:31:06,179
um and um neither one of us are getting

2298
01:31:10,370 --> 01:31:08,219
paid for saying this we just both think

2299
01:31:12,530 --> 01:31:10,380
it's an important film

2300
01:31:16,490 --> 01:31:12,540
um yeah it's beautiful I cannot be more

2301
01:31:18,830 --> 01:31:16,500
proud and it ends with the UFO Congress

2302
01:31:21,709 --> 01:31:18,840
that's right I kind of think of

2303
01:31:24,110 --> 01:31:21,719
important moment kind of the climax is

2304
01:31:27,290 --> 01:31:24,120
Emily trim speaking at the UFO Congress

2305
01:31:30,350 --> 01:31:27,300
a few years ago you were there right I

2306
01:31:33,169 --> 01:31:30,360
was there yeah it was and I say this it

2307
01:31:35,330 --> 01:31:33,179
was probably one of the most amazing

2308
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:35,340
moments I ever experienced at the

2309
01:31:39,250 --> 01:31:37,679
conference because everybody was just

2310
01:31:43,129 --> 01:31:39,260
quiet everyone

2311
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:43,139
was a paper people were crying people

2312
01:31:49,250 --> 01:31:46,800
were crying I think it was just amazing

2313
01:31:50,750 --> 01:31:49,260
Standing Ovation when she finished

2314
01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:50,760
because you know it was coming from her

2315
01:31:54,649 --> 01:31:53,040
heart every bit of it was it's funny

2316
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:54,659
because I was working with Randy for a

2317
01:32:01,010 --> 01:31:57,600
while to get him our video files of her

2318
01:32:02,930 --> 01:32:01,020
talk and they were huge so it took us a

2319
01:32:04,850 --> 01:32:02,940
long time I had to put him on a drive I

2320
01:32:06,410 --> 01:32:04,860
think and mail them to him and then he's

2321
01:32:08,330 --> 01:32:06,420
and I was like sorry it took me so long

2322
01:32:09,530 --> 01:32:08,340
he's like oh that's okay

2323
01:32:10,970 --> 01:32:09,540
um and then a couple weeks later he's

2324
01:32:14,030 --> 01:32:10,980
like we actually found some footage that

2325
01:32:16,250 --> 01:32:14,040
we took that we like better but uh I

2326
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:16,260
like the footage they use because it's

2327
01:32:20,149 --> 01:32:18,719
more personal it's like right there with

2328
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:20,159
her

2329
01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:24,719
perspective and then you see the people

2330
01:32:30,890 --> 01:32:27,900
stand up it was great yeah yeah that was

2331
01:32:32,810 --> 01:32:30,900
really something uh this is uh

2332
01:32:36,050 --> 01:32:32,820
we're going to be talking about this now

2333
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:36,060
if we can the what's coming up for you

2334
01:32:40,430 --> 01:32:38,639
so these are the speakers that are there

2335
01:32:42,290 --> 01:32:40,440
at this conference and let's talk about

2336
01:32:43,310 --> 01:32:42,300
that conference what exactly can we

2337
01:32:46,610 --> 01:32:43,320
expect

2338
01:32:48,649 --> 01:32:46,620
yeah I think that uh what I really love

2339
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:48,659
about what we're doing right now is it's

2340
01:32:53,629 --> 01:32:49,920
so important

2341
01:32:54,770 --> 01:32:53,639
um we have we really are you know

2342
01:32:57,850 --> 01:32:54,780
getting

2343
01:33:01,010 --> 01:32:57,860
um a lot of uh

2344
01:33:02,270 --> 01:33:01,020
contacts uh and that's what I've been

2345
01:33:03,530 --> 01:33:02,280
busy with like when you're talking about

2346
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:03,540
talking with people who didn't know

2347
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:06,000
about the hearing I've been just all

2348
01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:07,199
about the hearings and getting

2349
01:33:12,050 --> 01:33:09,360
information ready and getting

2350
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:12,060
information to lawmakers and that's what

2351
01:33:16,189 --> 01:33:14,400
we've been busy with and I think that's

2352
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:16,199
what's really exciting about the

2353
01:33:20,570 --> 01:33:18,000
scientific Coalition for UAP studies

2354
01:33:22,010 --> 01:33:20,580
because we're doing what the task force

2355
01:33:23,570 --> 01:33:22,020
wants to do

2356
01:33:26,030 --> 01:33:23,580
and

2357
01:33:28,430 --> 01:33:26,040
um an example would be you know we're

2358
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:28,440
going to be showing that the uapx data

2359
01:33:32,990 --> 01:33:31,440
because the uapx this group who was

2360
01:33:34,729 --> 01:33:33,000
featured in the Terran the sky

2361
01:33:36,770 --> 01:33:34,739
documentary

2362
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:36,780
um they are the science guys are also

2363
01:33:40,910 --> 01:33:38,880
part of SCU so they're going to be

2364
01:33:43,310 --> 01:33:40,920
presenting the science of what they

2365
01:33:44,209 --> 01:33:43,320
actually captured and that tear in the

2366
01:33:45,229 --> 01:33:44,219
sky

2367
01:33:50,750 --> 01:33:45,239
um

2368
01:33:53,570 --> 01:33:50,760
right so that's going to be really

2369
01:33:56,750 --> 01:33:53,580
exciting now that that was some type of

2370
01:33:58,910 --> 01:33:56,760
phenomenon in the in the sky I saw the

2371
01:34:00,530 --> 01:33:58,920
movie I saw the screener when it when I

2372
01:34:03,350 --> 01:34:00,540
was given that

2373
01:34:05,570 --> 01:34:03,360
um and you know we we both know the

2374
01:34:09,470 --> 01:34:05,580
people that were involved Kevin knuth

2375
01:34:11,090 --> 01:34:09,480
and uh uh Matthew uh I can never

2376
01:34:13,310 --> 01:34:11,100
remember how to pronounce it Matthews

2377
01:34:17,090 --> 01:34:13,320
yes

2378
01:34:20,270 --> 01:34:17,100
um yeah Altman uh or Chris Altman and uh

2379
01:34:22,250 --> 01:34:20,280
well Dave Altman uh another guy right

2380
01:34:26,689 --> 01:34:22,260
how many people

2381
01:34:30,050 --> 01:34:26,699
um Gary Voorhees I mean uh Kevin day and

2382
01:34:31,729 --> 01:34:30,060
I know that I the guy who runs Osiris a

2383
01:34:33,410 --> 01:34:31,739
lot of great people a lot and I know I'm

2384
01:34:35,090 --> 01:34:33,420
missing a lot of the really cool key

2385
01:34:37,010 --> 01:34:35,100
people so you'll have to go check out

2386
01:34:38,810 --> 01:34:37,020
uapx

2387
01:34:41,390 --> 01:34:38,820
um a great group it's really cool they

2388
01:34:44,209 --> 01:34:41,400
did this and it's kind of nerdy in the

2389
01:34:45,850 --> 01:34:44,219
film is UFO nerdy which I'm glad because

2390
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:45,860
that's what I

2391
01:34:49,790 --> 01:34:48,239
so it's cool to see these guys using

2392
01:34:51,229 --> 01:34:49,800
their attack I could see how other

2393
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:51,239
people might be a little bored with it

2394
01:34:55,609 --> 01:34:53,040
but yeah they caught this weird anomaly

2395
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:55,619
in the sky they called Wormhole like in

2396
01:35:01,550 --> 01:34:59,280
the film but later on they uh put out a

2397
01:35:03,530 --> 01:35:01,560
uh a newsletter or a press release

2398
01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:03,540
saying they're actually now saying it's

2399
01:35:09,050 --> 01:35:06,719
an anomalous weather uh artifact or you

2400
01:35:11,090 --> 01:35:09,060
know oh is that what it was some sort of

2401
01:35:13,669 --> 01:35:11,100
anomalous weather phenomena but our

2402
01:35:15,229 --> 01:35:13,679
point is and my point is that that's the

2403
01:35:17,689 --> 01:35:15,239
importance of scientifically studying

2404
01:35:19,970 --> 01:35:17,699
this field is that uaps are not one

2405
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:19,980
thing they're many many things and no

2406
01:35:24,350 --> 01:35:23,040
doubt that many of the things UAP are

2407
01:35:27,169 --> 01:35:24,360
are

2408
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:27,179
typical terrestrial phenomena that is

2409
01:35:31,310 --> 01:35:29,280
not extraordinary but stuff we haven't

2410
01:35:33,229 --> 01:35:31,320
discovered before and that's what

2411
01:35:34,669 --> 01:35:33,239
science is all about

2412
01:35:37,250 --> 01:35:34,679
um it's one of the things that NASA

2413
01:35:39,530 --> 01:35:37,260
talks about sure you know maybe we're

2414
01:35:42,050 --> 01:35:39,540
we're not on Mars yet but all along the

2415
01:35:44,689 --> 01:35:42,060
way we're creating new technologies and

2416
01:35:46,609 --> 01:35:44,699
discovering new science uh as we do what

2417
01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:46,619
we do and that's where the importance

2418
01:35:50,209 --> 01:35:48,239
one of the important points we got to

2419
01:35:52,370 --> 01:35:50,219
push forward I think with UAP scientific

2420
01:35:54,649 --> 01:35:52,380
investigation is we're going to find out

2421
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:54,659
what some of these Mysteries are and

2422
01:35:58,910 --> 01:35:56,639
many of them are going to be natural

2423
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:58,920
phenomena we just haven't discovered yet

2424
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:01,440
so if these guys discover some anomalous

2425
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:04,080
weather phenomena that can make a hole

2426
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,239
open up in the clouds and then close

2427
01:36:11,870 --> 01:36:08,880
again along with some like sprinkling

2428
01:36:13,070 --> 01:36:11,880
kind of phosphorus lights I mean first

2429
01:36:15,530 --> 01:36:13,080
of all it's fun to look at it's

2430
01:36:17,390 --> 01:36:15,540
incredible second of all they're making

2431
01:36:18,890 --> 01:36:17,400
a discovery they're making a scientific

2432
01:36:20,510 --> 01:36:18,900
discovery

2433
01:36:23,629 --> 01:36:20,520
um about something we didn't know about

2434
01:36:26,510 --> 01:36:23,639
before and so that's why scientific

2435
01:36:28,129 --> 01:36:26,520
investigation of UAP is so important

2436
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:28,139
yeah I mean they certainly have the

2437
01:36:31,970 --> 01:36:29,760
equipment there didn't they that was

2438
01:36:33,830 --> 01:36:31,980
that was something else yeah they could

2439
01:36:35,570 --> 01:36:33,840
have you know too bad they couldn't have

2440
01:36:37,550 --> 01:36:35,580
stayed there for a year

2441
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:37,560
you know yeah instead of just for a week

2442
01:36:41,810 --> 01:36:40,080
or whatever however long it was yeah a

2443
01:36:43,310 --> 01:36:41,820
project like that they're lucky they

2444
01:36:46,129 --> 01:36:43,320
caught anything

2445
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:46,139
um right okay I know yeah yeah we've

2446
01:36:49,850 --> 01:36:48,000
done UFO hunting and that's one of the

2447
01:36:51,470 --> 01:36:49,860
problems that UFO hunting shows are so

2448
01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:51,480
hard because they want to capture

2449
01:36:55,490 --> 01:36:53,280
something and that's what's funny it's

2450
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:55,500
easier to go to a ghost hunt and

2451
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:57,360
potentially capture something that it is

2452
01:37:00,890 --> 01:36:59,280
like a UAP hunting

2453
01:37:03,410 --> 01:37:00,900
um because you know it's it's hard to

2454
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:03,420
just it's just far and few between that

2455
01:37:07,729 --> 01:37:05,520
people you know capture something in the

2456
01:37:10,129 --> 01:37:07,739
sky that's real you know there are

2457
01:37:12,350 --> 01:37:10,139
people who will talk about money ask you

2458
01:37:14,209 --> 01:37:12,360
to spend three thousand dollars to go

2459
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:14,219
out in the woods with them and they'll

2460
01:37:18,050 --> 01:37:16,080
tell you everything in the sky as a UFO

2461
01:37:20,990 --> 01:37:18,060
and then when you say no that's a plane

2462
01:37:24,290 --> 01:37:21,000
they'll just tell you uh well UFOs can

2463
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:24,300
disguise themselves as planes you know

2464
01:37:28,010 --> 01:37:26,880
um sure you could do that every day and

2465
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:28,020
I think you probably know who I'm

2466
01:37:32,689 --> 01:37:30,719
talking about but um I know you're a big

2467
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:32,699
fan yeah but uh

2468
01:37:36,530 --> 01:37:34,560
but you know when it comes to the real

2469
01:37:40,250 --> 01:37:36,540
stuff that's that's harder to come by

2470
01:37:44,689 --> 01:37:40,260
yes yes I think um I'm gonna try to take

2471
01:37:46,850 --> 01:37:44,699
a call now this is um this is my just to

2472
01:37:50,810 --> 01:37:46,860
let everyone know this is my own phone

2473
01:37:53,689 --> 01:37:50,820
and uh so I will be we will not have a

2474
01:37:55,850 --> 01:37:53,699
screen so please be good and uh if

2475
01:37:57,290 --> 01:37:55,860
you're not go ahead go ahead oh just

2476
01:37:58,910 --> 01:37:57,300
while you're doing that I'll address one

2477
01:38:00,830 --> 01:37:58,920
of the questions someone said Alejandra

2478
01:38:02,450 --> 01:38:00,840
you need a zip code citing alert so

2479
01:38:04,850 --> 01:38:02,460
folks will go outside and look and

2480
01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:04,860
photograph that's what we're doing this

2481
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:06,780
app is going to be coming out in a

2482
01:38:10,910 --> 01:38:08,400
couple months

2483
01:38:12,649 --> 01:38:10,920
um but it's gonna be super cool I

2484
01:38:15,229 --> 01:38:12,659
everybody's been trying to build a nap

2485
01:38:17,689 --> 01:38:15,239
ttsa was trying to build an app

2486
01:38:19,250 --> 01:38:17,699
um we've got their data and more uh in

2487
01:38:21,290 --> 01:38:19,260
our app to be honest I don't know all

2488
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:21,300
the data ttsa have so I can't say that

2489
01:38:26,209 --> 01:38:24,239
for sure but I suspect we have what they

2490
01:38:28,430 --> 01:38:26,219
had and more um in our app so you're

2491
01:38:30,770 --> 01:38:28,440
gonna have historical sightings but more

2492
01:38:32,930 --> 01:38:30,780
than that it's a real-time interactive

2493
01:38:34,910 --> 01:38:32,940
thing so you'll get an alert if there's

2494
01:38:37,010 --> 01:38:34,920
a sighting near you so you can go

2495
01:38:38,510 --> 01:38:37,020
outside and get a picture of video

2496
01:38:40,669 --> 01:38:38,520
yourself

2497
01:38:42,109 --> 01:38:40,679
um and then that way we can yeah it's

2498
01:38:44,689 --> 01:38:42,119
super exciting because that way we can

2499
01:38:47,149 --> 01:38:44,699
triangulate right it's got some of it's

2500
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:47,159
got I I would say well I think I could

2501
01:38:51,709 --> 01:38:48,960
say this because there is no under it's

2502
01:38:53,870 --> 01:38:51,719
got the most advanced AI associated with

2503
01:38:57,649 --> 01:38:53,880
it to be able to look at the attributes

2504
01:39:00,050 --> 01:38:57,659
of the signing to determine its veracity

2505
01:39:02,209 --> 01:39:00,060
um also and so you can do a bunch of

2506
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:02,219
different correlations So speaking of

2507
01:39:05,209 --> 01:39:03,840
our conference one exciting thing that

2508
01:39:08,450 --> 01:39:05,219
we're doing that I'm working on right

2509
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,460
now we have an intention study uh that

2510
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:10,080
the SC is conducting and you'll find out

2511
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:12,239
some more about this but what we've done

2512
01:39:16,810 --> 01:39:14,639
is we've taken we've scrubbed all the

2513
01:39:18,649 --> 01:39:16,820
sightings and I'm talking about

2514
01:39:21,410 --> 01:39:18,659
well-researched and investigated

2515
01:39:23,450 --> 01:39:21,420
sightings which mostly comprise of Blue

2516
01:39:24,830 --> 01:39:23,460
Book sightings why are those the most

2517
01:39:26,750 --> 01:39:24,840
important because these are the

2518
01:39:28,430 --> 01:39:26,760
government-owned sightings

2519
01:39:31,850 --> 01:39:28,440
um very credible which are you know

2520
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:31,860
typically lawmakers military uh law

2521
01:39:35,450 --> 01:39:33,840
enforcement and I mean by police you

2522
01:39:38,810 --> 01:39:35,460
know where there's multiple Witnesses

2523
01:39:41,629 --> 01:39:38,820
some telemetry gathered we've boiled it

2524
01:39:43,550 --> 01:39:41,639
down to around 600 cases and so then

2525
01:39:46,250 --> 01:39:43,560
we're looking at the patterns on those

2526
01:39:50,090 --> 01:39:46,260
to determine what can we determine about

2527
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:50,100
the intentions of whatever these uh what

2528
01:39:54,830 --> 01:39:52,320
these are cases where they've been

2529
01:39:57,709 --> 01:39:54,840
demonstrated you know uh technology

2530
01:40:00,050 --> 01:39:57,719
beyond what we have and what we've

2531
01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:00,060
discovered so far first we looked at

2532
01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:02,400
nuclear sites right because it's

2533
01:40:06,169 --> 01:40:04,320
supposedly that's where they are and

2534
01:40:08,270 --> 01:40:06,179
I've always been suspicious do we really

2535
01:40:10,010 --> 01:40:08,280
know that just because we have a lot of

2536
01:40:12,050 --> 01:40:10,020
documents that show that doesn't mean we

2537
01:40:13,609 --> 01:40:12,060
know that the only reason we have these

2538
01:40:15,770 --> 01:40:13,619
documents is because they're foilable

2539
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:15,780
aren't the other UAP ones aren't

2540
01:40:18,590 --> 01:40:17,520
foilable at least we don't know how to

2541
01:40:20,209 --> 01:40:18,600
get them

2542
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:20,219
um John Greenwald of course has gotten

2543
01:40:24,649 --> 01:40:22,080
some but not all

2544
01:40:27,410 --> 01:40:24,659
um so when we ran our study we found

2545
01:40:31,609 --> 01:40:27,420
that actually there isn't more sightings

2546
01:40:33,709 --> 01:40:31,619
in the uh for sac and ICBM silos where

2547
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:33,719
like Maelstrom happened and stuff like

2548
01:40:38,209 --> 01:40:35,280
that of course there are these important

2549
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:38,219
singular cases like Maelstrom that need

2550
01:40:42,350 --> 01:40:40,560
to be analyzed and considered but what

2551
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,360
we did find

2552
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:44,159
and what we were basing this up against

2553
01:40:49,010 --> 01:40:46,560
were some controls one control was

2554
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:49,020
military sites that were nearby another

2555
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:53,760
control is uh population areas nearby

2556
01:40:57,890 --> 01:40:55,679
um to see you know are there more

2557
01:40:59,770 --> 01:40:57,900
sightings in the nearby military sites

2558
01:41:03,290 --> 01:40:59,780
are there more sightings than the nearby

2559
01:41:05,390 --> 01:41:03,300
uh population groups what we did find is

2560
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:05,400
that there was a statistically different

2561
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:06,719
pattern

2562
01:41:11,629 --> 01:41:08,880
when it came to UFO sightings over

2563
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:11,639
nuclear facilities but the where the

2564
01:41:18,350 --> 01:41:13,920
facilities where the increases are where

2565
01:41:21,550 --> 01:41:18,360
was there were significantly

2566
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:21,560
um more sightings were actually

2567
01:41:28,370 --> 01:41:24,960
production and weapons assembly

2568
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:28,380
facilities so I mean what we're starting

2569
01:41:32,450 --> 01:41:30,719
to see is if this is actually showing

2570
01:41:35,930 --> 01:41:32,460
something it's more along the lines of

2571
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:35,940
there's an interest in our technology uh

2572
01:41:42,290 --> 01:41:39,360
and our development of Technology not

2573
01:41:45,050 --> 01:41:42,300
our deployment but the development so in

2574
01:41:47,930 --> 01:41:45,060
the areas where these new technologies

2575
01:41:50,209 --> 01:41:47,940
are being developed or ramped up that's

2576
01:41:52,430 --> 01:41:50,219
where you see more sightings I think

2577
01:41:56,270 --> 01:41:52,440
that is really terribly interesting

2578
01:42:02,270 --> 01:41:58,910
it makes sense

2579
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:02,280
if there is a third party involved

2580
01:42:07,250 --> 01:42:05,280
especially an exotic third party you

2581
01:42:10,850 --> 01:42:07,260
know these are the real ways in how you

2582
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:10,860
gain insight into what they're up to and

2583
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:12,480
that's what's exciting to me about it

2584
01:42:16,970 --> 01:42:14,639
because really it's painting this

2585
01:42:18,770 --> 01:42:16,980
picture that perhaps and more work needs

2586
01:42:20,990 --> 01:42:18,780
to be done we're going to release all of

2587
01:42:24,290 --> 01:42:21,000
our data including our databases what

2588
01:42:26,930 --> 01:42:24,300
cases we use why we use the cases that

2589
01:42:28,970 --> 01:42:26,940
we used so everybody can scrutinize and

2590
01:42:30,590 --> 01:42:28,980
certainly people will Mick West for

2591
01:42:32,270 --> 01:42:30,600
example probably his have his own take

2592
01:42:33,709 --> 01:42:32,280
that'll be completely different than

2593
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:33,719
ours yeah

2594
01:42:38,090 --> 01:42:36,000
um no doubt the the bunkers out there

2595
01:42:40,430 --> 01:42:38,100
will spin it the way they want to spin

2596
01:42:43,010 --> 01:42:40,440
it but still I think the data speaks for

2597
01:42:44,990 --> 01:42:43,020
itself that there's something there

2598
01:42:47,390 --> 01:42:45,000
um because we use traditional methods

2599
01:42:48,830 --> 01:42:47,400
the same methods the uip task force

2600
01:42:52,430 --> 01:42:48,840
would go about this that's what we're

2601
01:42:54,830 --> 01:42:52,440
doing and so um I think that's extremely

2602
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:54,840
significant that's great we have a we

2603
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:56,159
have a call I'm going to give this a try

2604
01:43:00,410 --> 01:42:59,040
we have Ron calling from Florida Ron

2605
01:43:02,750 --> 01:43:00,420
welcome to the show

2606
01:43:05,149 --> 01:43:02,760
thank you Martin it's always great to be

2607
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:05,159
on your show and Alejandro uh we always

2608
01:43:10,490 --> 01:43:07,679
enjoy hearing from you and uh thank you

2609
01:43:12,530 --> 01:43:10,500
for the work that you're doing a

2610
01:43:14,689 --> 01:43:12,540
New Mexico and Arizona

2611
01:43:16,609 --> 01:43:14,699
speaking Roswell on a week in Tucson and

2612
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:16,619
two weeks of Phoenix and Albuquerque and

2613
01:43:20,930 --> 01:43:19,199
then went down to Sakara so uh we had a

2614
01:43:23,570 --> 01:43:20,940
good time out there that's a fun trip

2615
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:23,580
lots of cool White Sands and Holloman

2616
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:25,199
lots of cool stuff to see there am I

2617
01:43:28,370 --> 01:43:26,639
coming through all right Jonas yeah you

2618
01:43:30,530 --> 01:43:28,380
are yeah do you have a question for uh

2619
01:43:32,990 --> 01:43:30,540
do you have a question I do yeah you

2620
01:43:36,109 --> 01:43:33,000
know as far as this hearing the other

2621
01:43:37,970 --> 01:43:36,119
day I think we're moving forward nicely

2622
01:43:42,109 --> 01:43:37,980
on that it's going to be a glacial

2623
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:42,119
progress uh I also you know the dni is

2624
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:44,880
not used to giving out information to

2625
01:43:48,350 --> 01:43:46,560
the public

2626
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:48,360
fully expect them to play rope-a-dope

2627
01:43:59,209 --> 01:43:57,470
walking and of this hearing in in

2628
01:44:01,550 --> 01:43:59,219
general do you feel that we're moving

2629
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:01,560
forward nicely

2630
01:44:07,129 --> 01:44:04,320
I would say we're moving forward I would

2631
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,139
say that uh I agree with you and and

2632
01:44:12,169 --> 01:44:09,840
perhaps I should have been a little less

2633
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:12,179
naive than you were uh because I think

2634
01:44:16,910 --> 01:44:13,679
the term that you use that it moves

2635
01:44:19,310 --> 01:44:16,920
glacially is is accurate and I was a

2636
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:19,320
little surprised at how far they had

2637
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:21,840
gotten but I think you know it goes back

2638
01:44:26,270 --> 01:44:24,000
to what I had mentioned before that you

2639
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:26,280
know just by having the hearings it gave

2640
01:44:30,410 --> 01:44:28,560
it sent the message Congress wanted to

2641
01:44:32,450 --> 01:44:30,420
send so by the time we got to the

2642
01:44:34,850 --> 01:44:32,460
hearing we got this sanitized nice back

2643
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:34,860
and forth as opposed to Congress saying

2644
01:44:38,510 --> 01:44:36,719
hey do this and the D.I saying no we

2645
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:38,520
don't want to you know the DIA was

2646
01:44:41,870 --> 01:44:39,840
saying right off the bat yeah we'll do

2647
01:44:44,209 --> 01:44:41,880
whatever you want but the problem I

2648
01:44:47,149 --> 01:44:44,219
think that arose was just how far along

2649
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:47,159
they are which is at Step Zero you know

2650
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:49,040
they're not even close to as far as

2651
01:44:54,169 --> 01:44:53,040
Elizondo seemed to be with atip so I

2652
01:44:55,550 --> 01:44:54,179
think that's where it's important it

2653
01:44:58,729 --> 01:44:55,560
seems like I don't know if they just

2654
01:45:01,189 --> 01:44:58,739
didn't listen to his input or what but

2655
01:45:04,669 --> 01:45:01,199
um you know some big alarms were such as

2656
01:45:07,370 --> 01:45:04,679
not to know about or or be prepared to

2657
01:45:08,689 --> 01:45:07,380
share anything about Usos makes no sense

2658
01:45:10,850 --> 01:45:08,699
this whole thing's supposed to be about

2659
01:45:12,770 --> 01:45:10,860
transparency but they don't want to tell

2660
01:45:15,950 --> 01:45:12,780
us anything about Usos one of the top

2661
01:45:18,109 --> 01:45:15,960
topics another one was the nuclear issue

2662
01:45:20,030 --> 01:45:18,119
because of course myself and I know

2663
01:45:22,250 --> 01:45:20,040
Chris Mellon uh because we got his

2664
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:22,260
information too that he was sharing uh

2665
01:45:26,270 --> 01:45:24,239
we're sharing that this is a big area of

2666
01:45:27,890 --> 01:45:26,280
concern especially for safety which

2667
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:27,900
seems to be what they say they're all

2668
01:45:31,850 --> 01:45:30,480
about Safety and Security that was

2669
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:31,860
shocking that they didn't know anything

2670
01:45:36,649 --> 01:45:35,040
about the nuclear uh relationship so it

2671
01:45:37,970 --> 01:45:36,659
just shows that they're they're just

2672
01:45:40,010 --> 01:45:37,980
starting

2673
01:45:41,810 --> 01:45:40,020
um and I think Leslie Kane in your

2674
01:45:45,050 --> 01:45:41,820
interview uh

2675
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:45,060
backed up by elizondo's interview with a

2676
01:45:49,129 --> 01:45:47,280
need to know just demonstrates these

2677
01:45:51,470 --> 01:45:49,139
guys are at step one so you're right

2678
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:51,480
it's it's showing progress which is

2679
01:45:55,250 --> 01:45:52,800
great

2680
01:45:57,229 --> 01:45:55,260
um and I agree with Hal and with Leslie

2681
01:45:59,330 --> 01:45:57,239
and you know for people like us who have

2682
01:46:01,910 --> 01:45:59,340
been really pushing this forward and

2683
01:46:04,729 --> 01:46:01,920
Reporting on this and being made fun of

2684
01:46:06,410 --> 01:46:04,739
to get it on the record all across the

2685
01:46:08,990 --> 01:46:06,420
board that this is a real phenomena to

2686
01:46:12,169 --> 01:46:09,000
take seriously that's a huge deal that's

2687
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:12,179
a huge win for all of us

2688
01:46:15,109 --> 01:46:13,679
um we may to be disappointed that

2689
01:46:16,910 --> 01:46:15,119
they're not further along but to your

2690
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:16,920
point at least we know it it will

2691
01:46:21,890 --> 01:46:18,960
continue to move further we just got to

2692
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:21,900
keep on them that's for sure so overall

2693
01:46:27,410 --> 01:46:24,960
a big positive surprise that they hadn't

2694
01:46:29,149 --> 01:46:27,420
made practically if no progress at all

2695
01:46:31,430 --> 01:46:29,159
but you know that's what we're doing

2696
01:46:34,370 --> 01:46:31,440
behind the scenes to hopefully help prod

2697
01:46:37,310 --> 01:46:34,380
them along and I can't say we've had

2698
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:37,320
some success and um we'll share more

2699
01:46:41,390 --> 01:46:39,360
about the successes we're having in the

2700
01:46:43,669 --> 01:46:41,400
near future but we've gotten people's

2701
01:46:45,290 --> 01:46:43,679
attention on the hill and we're we're

2702
01:46:47,930 --> 01:46:45,300
getting them information such as the

2703
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:47,940
information I just reviewed

2704
01:46:53,870 --> 01:46:50,880
excellent all right Hey Ron thank you

2705
01:46:57,830 --> 01:46:56,209
take care

2706
01:47:00,109 --> 01:46:57,840
well I'm not sure quite sure what

2707
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:00,119
happened with the volume on that but but

2708
01:47:04,910 --> 01:47:02,400
uh it worked I could hear you could hear

2709
01:47:06,169 --> 01:47:04,920
him okay so yeah uh I'll probably won't

2710
01:47:08,570 --> 01:47:06,179
take any more calls because of that

2711
01:47:10,490 --> 01:47:08,580
because I it just didn't seem to work

2712
01:47:11,810 --> 01:47:10,500
very well

2713
01:47:14,530 --> 01:47:11,820
uh

2714
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:14,540
so when are you

2715
01:47:18,350 --> 01:47:17,040
sorry a second I think okay I wasn't

2716
01:47:20,090 --> 01:47:18,360
sure if the dog just came home from

2717
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:20,100
getting washed I was checking them out

2718
01:47:24,850 --> 01:47:22,560
okay so it's always exciting when the

2719
01:47:28,430 --> 01:47:24,860
doctor comes home from getting washed

2720
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:28,440
yeah so you're heading down to to

2721
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:30,960
Alabama where this is taking place now

2722
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:34,080
yeah is that available to see is that

2723
01:47:38,270 --> 01:47:35,520
going to be available to see on a stream

2724
01:47:40,970 --> 01:47:38,280
of any kind yes we're sold out when it

2725
01:47:42,649 --> 01:47:40,980
comes to seats so uh unfortunately if

2726
01:47:44,629 --> 01:47:42,659
you haven't bought a seat yet uh you

2727
01:47:47,390 --> 01:47:44,639
won't get one but we it's limited space

2728
01:47:50,209 --> 01:47:47,400
to be honest at the venue that we're at

2729
01:47:52,970 --> 01:47:50,219
um but you can watch online so you can

2730
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:52,980
go to the website and get a streaming uh

2731
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:56,639
option and we use so SCU uses the same

2732
01:48:00,830 --> 01:47:58,320
technology that we use at the UFO

2733
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:00,840
Congress and if you've watched UFO

2734
01:48:05,689 --> 01:48:02,639
Congress streaming you'll know that it

2735
01:48:09,669 --> 01:48:05,699
comes off impeccably with zero to no

2736
01:48:12,590 --> 01:48:09,679
technical issues oh there he is

2737
01:48:14,450 --> 01:48:12,600
you can see the dog next to the UFO

2738
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:14,460
there everybody always loves to see the

2739
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:17,040
UFO oh yeah there's the doggy all right

2740
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:20,400
it's waving hey buddy great little guy

2741
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,080
but um

2742
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:24,480
yeah so you can watch it online as well

2743
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:27,119
and uh the cool thing is that that app

2744
01:48:31,729 --> 01:48:30,000
that we use works so good I mean

2745
01:48:33,229 --> 01:48:31,739
um you know everybody typically has

2746
01:48:34,669 --> 01:48:33,239
great experience with it so don't worry

2747
01:48:38,209 --> 01:48:34,679
about having problems the other cool

2748
01:48:38,990 --> 01:48:38,219
thing is that once the uh videos you

2749
01:48:41,689 --> 01:48:39,000
know

2750
01:48:43,490 --> 01:48:41,699
done it's just like Zoom it's recorded

2751
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,500
so you can watch it at any time after

2752
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:45,119
the event

2753
01:48:50,689 --> 01:48:48,719
yeah that's excellent and

2754
01:48:52,910 --> 01:48:50,699
um Ryan Graves

2755
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:52,920
yes yeah I've I've had some

2756
01:48:56,330 --> 01:48:54,719
conversations with him he was he was

2757
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:56,340
going to try to be on

2758
01:49:01,550 --> 01:48:58,800
before this this conference and never

2759
01:49:02,990 --> 01:49:01,560
never made it on in the last week he uh

2760
01:49:06,050 --> 01:49:03,000
he was going to be on with Leslie Kane

2761
01:49:09,050 --> 01:49:06,060
but couldn't make it on but uh his story

2762
01:49:11,209 --> 01:49:09,060
is is quite incredible what do you think

2763
01:49:12,950 --> 01:49:11,219
about

2764
01:49:14,510 --> 01:49:12,960
um just a couple of questions and if

2765
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:14,520
it's only because I was talking to a

2766
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:16,800
friend that's involved in UFOs that are

2767
01:49:22,189 --> 01:49:20,159
very balanced uh person and he made a

2768
01:49:24,530 --> 01:49:22,199
good point he said if these things were

2769
01:49:26,570 --> 01:49:24,540
showing up every single day

2770
01:49:29,149 --> 01:49:26,580
um why wasn't there more you know

2771
01:49:31,550 --> 01:49:29,159
filming or investigation of them and

2772
01:49:34,430 --> 01:49:31,560
this isn't that long ago you know this

2773
01:49:36,370 --> 01:49:34,440
is 2014 or something 15 or something

2774
01:49:38,750 --> 01:49:36,380
like that

2775
01:49:40,189 --> 01:49:38,760
yeah you know I think that's a really

2776
01:49:43,250 --> 01:49:40,199
good question

2777
01:49:44,570 --> 01:49:43,260
um I think that we heard from

2778
01:49:46,250 --> 01:49:44,580
um

2779
01:49:49,490 --> 01:49:46,260
you know

2780
01:49:51,050 --> 01:49:49,500
who was speaking to this recently I

2781
01:49:53,330 --> 01:49:51,060
can't remember but essentially they were

2782
01:49:55,550 --> 01:49:53,340
essentially saying that um

2783
01:49:59,149 --> 01:49:55,560
it was on I think Sean Cahill spoke to

2784
01:50:01,790 --> 01:49:59,159
this on your interview uh where he was

2785
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:01,800
saying that you know it's just so weird

2786
01:50:06,709 --> 01:50:04,320
and it's not like coming close it's not

2787
01:50:09,770 --> 01:50:06,719
doing anything threatening that people

2788
01:50:11,450 --> 01:50:09,780
just blow it off to some kind of radar

2789
01:50:13,729 --> 01:50:11,460
problem or something like that so they

2790
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:13,739
don't think of these weird things and I

2791
01:50:20,030 --> 01:50:16,159
think that you know it's a tough sell

2792
01:50:22,669 --> 01:50:20,040
but uh but what Sean Cahill was saying

2793
01:50:24,830 --> 01:50:22,679
and trying to tell people is what John

2794
01:50:28,129 --> 01:50:24,840
Alexander has been saying for decades

2795
01:50:30,530 --> 01:50:28,139
now and which we experience as as UFO

2796
01:50:32,810 --> 01:50:30,540
investigators which is that you know

2797
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:32,820
when you talk to a military person

2798
01:50:37,370 --> 01:50:35,760
especially but even law enforcement and

2799
01:50:38,689 --> 01:50:37,380
they tell you about a UFO sighting

2800
01:50:40,490 --> 01:50:38,699
they've had and you say did you report

2801
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:40,500
that they're like hell no I didn't

2802
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:42,000
report that

2803
01:50:46,129 --> 01:50:44,159
um you know I've spoke to I had a

2804
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:46,139
similar story to Sean Cahill's too I

2805
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:48,000
spoke to one radar operator who worked

2806
01:50:53,870 --> 01:50:50,639
on the do line there you know up on the

2807
01:50:55,370 --> 01:50:53,880
in the Navy and they kept having these

2808
01:50:57,770 --> 01:50:55,380
when they turned on their Radars where

2809
01:50:59,810 --> 01:50:57,780
it would go higher than usual they kept

2810
01:51:01,490 --> 01:50:59,820
getting these weird signatures you know

2811
01:51:04,850 --> 01:51:01,500
these things flying around like super

2812
01:51:06,050 --> 01:51:04,860
fast and this was Franklin Carter uh was

2813
01:51:07,310 --> 01:51:06,060
the name of this gentleman and they

2814
01:51:09,169 --> 01:51:07,320
would call him up because he was a radar

2815
01:51:11,209 --> 01:51:09,179
guy they would say Carter we got another

2816
01:51:13,550 --> 01:51:11,219
Carter contact can you come take a look

2817
01:51:15,050 --> 01:51:13,560
so he'd have to run up there and he'd

2818
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:15,060
say no everything looked seems to be

2819
01:51:19,490 --> 01:51:16,800
looking right so they would log it and

2820
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:19,500
move on eventually they had all this

2821
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:21,599
headache where you know people are

2822
01:51:25,850 --> 01:51:23,760
saying are you sure it's in your Radar's

2823
01:51:28,729 --> 01:51:25,860
not screwed up they send Engineers to go

2824
01:51:30,770 --> 01:51:28,739
look they said The Radars were fine So

2825
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:30,780
eventually they solved the problem by

2826
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:32,639
just adjusting the radar so it didn't go

2827
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:36,480
so high and uh the problem solved but

2828
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:38,880
Franklin would ask you know it seems

2829
01:51:42,350 --> 01:51:40,320
like we're the only ones that they're

2830
01:51:43,790 --> 01:51:42,360
getting mad at about this you know and

2831
01:51:45,649 --> 01:51:43,800
he asked his colleagues on the other

2832
01:51:47,330 --> 01:51:45,659
ships aren't you guys seeing these

2833
01:51:48,589 --> 01:51:47,340
things and they all said of course we

2834
01:51:50,750 --> 01:51:48,599
see these things but we don't report

2835
01:51:53,209 --> 01:51:50,760
them we're not crazy we don't want that

2836
01:51:56,209 --> 01:51:53,219
headache so that's been the case all

2837
01:51:59,689 --> 01:51:56,219
long it it is more of a case of

2838
01:52:02,990 --> 01:51:59,699
ignorance and bumbling and just really

2839
01:52:04,850 --> 01:52:03,000
screwing up that the military ignores

2840
01:52:06,169 --> 01:52:04,860
these important things because they're

2841
01:52:08,209 --> 01:52:06,179
too weird

2842
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:08,219
um you know when Sean Cahill had said

2843
01:52:11,750 --> 01:52:10,320
this and I heard a similar thing you

2844
01:52:13,609 --> 01:52:11,760
know what you hear a similar thing over

2845
01:52:15,890 --> 01:52:13,619
and over again and it makes me kind of

2846
01:52:17,689 --> 01:52:15,900
think of like a ghost let's say there's

2847
01:52:20,450 --> 01:52:17,699
a sh there's a ghost on the ship the

2848
01:52:22,250 --> 01:52:20,460
Nimitz has a ghost and sometimes they

2849
01:52:24,169 --> 01:52:22,260
see the ghost what would they do with

2850
01:52:25,729 --> 01:52:24,179
that they would probably just like oh my

2851
01:52:28,189 --> 01:52:25,739
gosh that's crazy they wouldn't record

2852
01:52:30,050 --> 01:52:28,199
it or anything or do anything they'd be

2853
01:52:32,270 --> 01:52:30,060
just like well supposedly some of these

2854
01:52:34,430 --> 01:52:32,280
goofballs see a ghost on the ship and

2855
01:52:36,169 --> 01:52:34,440
that would be it I think that it seemed

2856
01:52:37,790 --> 01:52:36,179
really they treat the UFOs thing the

2857
01:52:41,350 --> 01:52:37,800
same if they think it's a UFO if they

2858
01:52:47,089 --> 01:52:43,910
to argue that a little bit a ghost is

2859
01:52:49,550 --> 01:52:47,099
not a possible threat right you know

2860
01:52:51,109 --> 01:52:49,560
right this guy if these things are in

2861
01:52:53,390 --> 01:52:51,119
the sky they could be a threat in many

2862
01:52:55,310 --> 01:52:53,400
ways but that's the promise that these

2863
01:52:58,010 --> 01:52:55,320
people are

2864
01:53:01,850 --> 01:52:58,020
um interpreting this as a non-threat

2865
01:53:04,910 --> 01:53:01,860
and and that's the issue and um but even

2866
01:53:07,550 --> 01:53:04,920
the military as and justifiably in a way

2867
01:53:09,890 --> 01:53:07,560
has called this a non-threat because if

2868
01:53:12,050 --> 01:53:09,900
the scenario is there's objects out

2869
01:53:13,729 --> 01:53:12,060
there that seem to be observing us but

2870
01:53:15,890 --> 01:53:13,739
they don't bother us

2871
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:15,900
that could technically be a non-threat

2872
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:17,520
and that's the argument the Air Force

2873
01:53:20,450 --> 01:53:19,440
had in the past with blue book is that

2874
01:53:22,129 --> 01:53:20,460
these aren't a threat they're not

2875
01:53:23,810 --> 01:53:22,139
messing with us

2876
01:53:26,330 --> 01:53:23,820
um they're probably nothing but it's not

2877
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:26,340
a threat it's not a national and that's

2878
01:53:30,410 --> 01:53:27,920
why this threat

2879
01:53:33,169 --> 01:53:30,420
terminology is so important not to

2880
01:53:34,669 --> 01:53:33,179
demonize aliens but to demonstrate

2881
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:34,679
there's a real reason why the military

2882
01:53:39,050 --> 01:53:36,960
needs to take this serious that's why

2883
01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:39,060
the threat dialogue comes

2884
01:53:43,010 --> 01:53:41,040
um this whole conspiracy about people

2885
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:43,020
trying to demonize aliens is just

2886
01:53:48,350 --> 01:53:46,560
completely ridiculous and it does not

2887
01:53:50,570 --> 01:53:48,360
that people aren't trying to understand

2888
01:53:52,729 --> 01:53:50,580
how this really works and what the

2889
01:53:54,350 --> 01:53:52,739
military is up to that's why the threat

2890
01:53:56,270 --> 01:53:54,360
dialogue is so important because if we

2891
01:53:58,070 --> 01:53:56,280
can't demonstrate this is a threat the

2892
01:54:00,109 --> 01:53:58,080
military is not going to care should

2893
01:54:01,490 --> 01:54:00,119
they care I think you know certainly the

2894
01:54:03,770 --> 01:54:01,500
people involved are arguing that they

2895
01:54:05,450 --> 01:54:03,780
should and to your point you know

2896
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:05,460
something like this happening could have

2897
01:54:09,470 --> 01:54:07,199
been a threat but they ignored it they

2898
01:54:12,290 --> 01:54:09,480
had a blind spot to these anomalous

2899
01:54:15,350 --> 01:54:12,300
readings on their radar

2900
01:54:17,870 --> 01:54:15,360
um because of the taboo around this

2901
01:54:21,010 --> 01:54:17,880
topic which is irrational and just

2902
01:54:23,570 --> 01:54:21,020
ridiculous so um and always happens

2903
01:54:25,609 --> 01:54:23,580
Alejandra we have to end it here we have

2904
01:54:28,189 --> 01:54:25,619
kind of a hard end at the show but thank

2905
01:54:31,609 --> 01:54:28,199
you so much it's always a real pleasure

2906
01:54:34,089 --> 01:54:31,619
great explore scu.org is where people

2907
01:54:36,129 --> 01:54:34,099
can go get tickets explore scu.org

2908
01:54:38,589 --> 01:54:36,139
openminds.tv of course is still there

2909
01:54:40,850 --> 01:54:38,599
and you know

2910
01:54:44,629 --> 01:54:40,860
alejandrojas.com I have that all linked

2911
01:54:46,189 --> 01:54:44,639
below all right thank you take care yep

2912
01:54:48,109 --> 01:54:46,199
all right everyone so thank you very

2913
01:54:50,870 --> 01:54:48,119
much I have Nathan from calling all

2914
01:54:53,089 --> 01:54:50,880
beings on next week I can't remember

2915
01:54:55,609 --> 01:54:53,099
what his last name is but thanks so much

2916
01:54:57,950 --> 01:54:55,619
for joining us tonight and we'll be back

2917
01:55:00,290 --> 01:54:57,960
next week as usual and if you're at Pine

2918
01:55:02,689 --> 01:55:00,300
Bush uh say hello I'll be speaking there

2919
01:55:04,430 --> 01:55:02,699
coming up this Friday night very good

2920
01:55:04,910 --> 01:55:04,440
and remember to keep your eyes to the

2921
01:55:08,030 --> 01:55:04,920
sky

2922
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:16,160
foreign